probabilty part Deux

what about this one then..

how would you do the same 1/20 problem i posted earlier if you wanted at least two 1's out of 4 rolls?


thanks,

joe b.

(math guru? nope, math goofus)
 

log in or register to remove this ad

The Sigil

Mr. 3000 (Words per post)
In this case, you have an exercise in permutations.

Let us look at how many permuations there are (a permutation is where rolling 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 is different from 1 then 2 then 4 then 3 - if they're considered the same, that's a combination).

You have 20^4 permuations (each die can come up in 20 different ways and there are four dice), or 160,000 permutations.

How many of those permutations contain at least two 1's? Easy.

1-1-X-X has 400 possible permutations (the two X dice can come up in 20 different ways - including more 1's - and there are two of them, so it's 20^2).

1-X-1-X has another 400 (800 total)
1-X-X-1 has another 400 (1200 total)
X-1-1-X has another 400 (1600 total)
X-1-X-1 has another 400 (2000 total)
X-X-1-1 has another 400 (2400 total).

Note that we have already included combinations with 3 and/or 4 ones in the above total. You would have X coming up in 19 different ways (instead of 20) if you wanted EXACTLY 2 rolls of 1 (instead of AT LEAST 2 rolls of 1) since in that case you would want only rolls of 2 through 20. In that case you would have instead of 6*(20^2) the total of 6*(19^2) or 2166 total possible permutations.

Our final fraction for AT LEAST two 1's is then 2400/160,000 or 0.015 (corresponding to 1.5%).

Our final fraction for EXACTLY two 1's is 2166/160,00 or 0.0135375 (which is about 1.35%).

--The Sigil
 


CRGreathouse

Community Supporter
The Sigil said:
In this case, you have an exercise in permutations.

Let us look at how many permuations there are (a permutation is where rolling 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 is different from 1 then 2 then 4 then 3 - if they're considered the same, that's a combination).

You have 20^4 permuations (each die can come up in 20 different ways and there are four dice), or 160,000 permutations.

How many of those permutations contain at least two 1's? Easy.

1-1-X-X has 400 possible permutations (the two X dice can come up in 20 different ways - including more 1's - and there are two of them, so it's 20^2).

1-X-1-X has another 400 (800 total)
1-X-X-1 has another 400 (1200 total)
X-1-1-X has another 400 (1600 total)
X-1-X-1 has another 400 (2000 total)
X-X-1-1 has another 400 (2400 total).

Note that we have already included combinations with 3 and/or 4 ones in the above total. You would have X coming up in 19 different ways (instead of 20) if you wanted EXACTLY 2 rolls of 1 (instead of AT LEAST 2 rolls of 1) since in that case you would want only rolls of 2 through 20. In that case you would have instead of 6*(20^2) the total of 6*(19^2) or 2166 total possible permutations.

Our final fraction for AT LEAST two 1's is then 2400/160,000 or 0.015 (corresponding to 1.5%).

Our final fraction for EXACTLY two 1's is 2166/160,00 or 0.0135375 (which is about 1.35%).

--The Sigil

Not quite, you're double-counting.

Exactly two 1s: 6*19*19*1*1
Exactly three 1s: 4*19*1*1*1
Exactly four 1s: 1*1*1*1*1

Total: 2243
Probability: ~1.402%
 


Remove ads

AD6_gamerati_skyscraper

Remove ads

Recent & Upcoming Releases

Top