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Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:30 PM #1
WotC puts a stop to online sales of PDFs
Originally Posted by RPGNow
So what could this mean in the long run...? Here are my thoughts from the WotC forums:
Very likely they're planning to start selling the PDFs online themselves so they can keep the money from online sales. So first step is to take away the permission for anybody else to sell PDFs online.
Same thing happened with all the online character generators and online D&D tools about six months before 4e was announced. And Dragon/Dungeon magazines. Remember?
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Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:45 PM #2
Magsman (Lvl 14)
Woh, that is not good.
I haven't got any as yet but will do soon when my eReader arrives. How can they stop you getting copies of PDFs you have already purchased????????
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:46 PM #3
Lama (Lvl 13)
Yeah, it's pretty odd, without giving a reason. Arguably you have the right to the product purchased, along with the number of downloads that are made available to you?
Either way, I am sure someone will let us know soon enough why this has been done, or at least undo it.
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:47 PM #4
Gallant (Lvl 3)
My first thought was "stop people from getting illegal copies of PDFs," but people are bound to just scan everything anyway (they already do for things without an official PDF). The guess that they might intend to sell them themselves is a logical possibility. Another guess is that they might be changing the PDFs in some drastic way and don't want to deal with people who "just bought the un-updated one" or something. I'm not sure what to make of it.
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:50 PM #5
Cutpurse (Lvl 5)
Does anybody know - Is this an across the board thing from WOTC covering all sellers of authorised PDFs of their material or is it just affecting RPGNOW?
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Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:52 PM #6
Guide (Lvl 11)
I've bought a number from RPGNow. Originally I was told I could download as many times as I wanted to forever. When they merged with DTRPG it went to 5 downloads per product and contact them if I needed more. And now apparently WotC is trying to pull the plug on old downloads. That should not be possible under the contracts rpgnow should have had with them but I don't have the specifics.
I really hope I will still be able to get old edition pdfs, there are a ton I still want to get.
Death in Freeport IC OOC Adversaries RG Info
Wildwood IC Old IC II OOC RG Info Old IC Monsters
Dwarven Vengeance Monsters
ToEE Sir Merrick OOC IC Old IC
RToEE Inquisitor Miltiades OOC IC Old IC
Ptolus Longcoat Garn OOC
Against the Giants Voadam IC OOC
Pool of Radiance Kordunn IC Combat OOC Info
Invasion of Mori Snargle fiendish troll rogue IC OOC
Red Hand of DoomSir Conrad Cyr Tiefling Soulknife
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 09:53 PM #7
What gets to me (not too much of course, but a bit) is that I've already had a couple evenings of gaming saved by RPGNow's convenient "Download it again if you need it again" feature. I haven't had to do it with any WotC book yet, but I know it's only a matter of time. And now I know that's off the table. Guess I just take better care of my folders from now on
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 10:00 PM #8
Guide (Lvl 11)
I don't see anywhere whether the old TSR stuff is effected by this. Paizo, which also sells the old TSR stuff, doesn't have a similar statement up.
If the TSR stuff is effected by this, it'd really suck. It's really the only .pdf's I buy and I could completely see WotC deciding not to make them available again. (There's supposedly no market for OOP D&D products, afterall.)
If they are still available, I think I'm going to buy a parsle full of them that I've been putting off. I've been too complacent, thinking they'll be available forever.
<exasperated DM> "Underlying what? ... motivation? Do you want to play Dungeons & Dragons or not?"
<drama obsessed player> "How can I narrate my character's co-mingled sense of alienation and ennui towards modern society in this second-rate dungeon hack? My character returns to the surface and uses his remaining gold to start up an organic coffee shop that caters to left-wing revolutionaries... and hot elvish chicks."
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 10:07 PM #9
Defender (Lvl 8)
If this does come to pass, somebody up in Seattle needs to credit me for my past purchases of WotC product that still have downloads remaining. Changing an agreement after somebody purchases things might be legal but it's still a load of horse pucky.
[Edit: As for anti-piracy issues, I think all of the WotC/TSR PDFs that I've downloaded from RPGNow (even the old scans) have an embedded watermark with my name in them. This makes piracy more trouble than it's worth.]
Last edited by jdrakeh; Monday, 6th April, 2009 at 10:18 PM.
Monday, 6th April, 2009, 10:07 PM #10
Grandmaster of Flowers (Lvl 18)
I'm more inclined to think it's a financial decision (as in "We'd make more money if we sold them ourselves") than it is a panicky anti-piracy decision because some executive's kid found a pirated PHB2 on 4chan.