Why Do Batman Fans Hate Christopher Nolan?

Zombie_Babies · Apr 15, 2014

sabrinathecat said:
Well, these days Batman could just talk into a tape recorder or note-taker and have it turned into special files on the Bat Computer.

Not all Robins are poser lackeys.

True. Death of a Salesman is a rather famous deviation from the formula. Decide for yourself if it is a success or not.
Aristotle's Principles were made for Tragedies. He never wrote (of if he did, they're lost) principles for comedies. Funny, though, how well those principles still hold up. Some updates necessary, but still a good foundation.

Wasn't there only like one tough Robin? And that begs the question: If he's tough enough to be on a superhero level, why is he playing second fiddle to Bat? Be your own hero, loserboy!

sabrinathecat · Apr 15, 2014

Zombie_Babies said:
Wasn't there only like one tough Robin? And that begs the question: If he's tough enough to be on a superhero level, why is he playing second fiddle to Bat? Be your own hero, loserboy!

Robin was always the kid Batman was training to be his own hero. That was the point: Batman was training his eventual replacements. But no one can truly replace Batman--not even his quazi-clone son.

WayneLigon · Apr 18, 2014

Zombie_Babies said:
Wasn't there only like one tough Robin? And that begs the question: If he's tough enough to be on a superhero level, why is he playing second fiddle to Bat? Be your own hero, loserboy!

All of them have been tough - you pretty much have to be to run around with Batman. All of them are master martial artists, with most of Batman's other skillsets - Dick is better acrobat, Jason is arguably better with weaponry, and Tim was a computer genius. Tim was also a master detective - Batman remarked once that Tim would surpass him once he got some experience under his belt.

All of them with the exception of Damien also went on to be their own solo hero; Dick as Nightwing, Jason as the Red Hood, and Tim as Red Robin. Dick had mostly separated from Batman even when he was Robin, after he started leading the Teen Titans. Jason was Robin for only a few years, and struck out on his own after his resurrection. Tim operated solo a great deal even while being trained.

Hussar · Apr 18, 2014

From the movie perspective though you don't really need Robin. Alfred served as the expository sounding board and giving Batman a companion would really take away from the "brooding lone scary guy" thing that was going on.

Zombie_Babies · Apr 21, 2014

WayneLigon said:
All of them have been tough - you pretty much have to be to run around with Batman. All of them are master martial artists, with most of Batman's other skillsets - Dick is better acrobat, Jason is arguably better with weaponry, and Tim was a computer genius. Tim was also a master detective - Batman remarked once that Tim would surpass him once he got some experience under his belt.

All of them with the exception of Damien also went on to be their own solo hero; Dick as Nightwing, Jason as the Red Hood, and Tim as Red Robin. Dick had mostly separated from Batman even when he was Robin, after he started leading the Teen Titans. Jason was Robin for only a few years, and struck out on his own after his resurrection. Tim operated solo a great deal even while being trained.

So then the Robin role is pointless. If they're all able to strike out on their own after a short time there's no point to them as a sidekick and there's no point to Bat training them as a replacement.