The Theory of Everything (trailer)

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Naked and living in a barrel
Love. Love is the unifying force in the universe. /roll eyes

[video=youtube;Salz7uGp72c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Salz7uGp72c#t=73[/video]
 

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Mercurius

Legend
Somewhere, someone came up with the idea that cynicism and jadedness were cool. Whoever that was did a great disservice to the human race.

You deserve uber-XP for this, Umbran, but evidently I must spread the love around.

What you say is almost a cultural epidemic, especially among Gen X and Yers, related to what I've called "hipster apathy." I see it ranging across cultural spheres and forms of media, where if art isn't gloomy and dark then it must be shmaltzy and saccharine.

I find this particularly irking in fantasy fiction, where the classic secondary world quest fantasy has been subsumed by the "grimdark" movement. I think this especially took hold when A Song of Ice and Fire became popular in the late 90s, but then blossomed in the 00s. Now it is hard to find a good old farmboy-to-prophecied quest fantasy that doesn't involve torture porn or sado-masochism of some kind.

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of grim-and-gritty fantasy, such as ASoIF, Erikson's Malazan, Bakker's A Prince of Nothing, etc. But I miss the days of fantasy that wasn't so fixated on the darker side of life. There are still a bunch of authors in this vein, but they seem the minority these days.
 


Janx

Hero
Somewhere, someone came up with the idea that cynicism and jadedness were cool. Whoever that was did a great disservice to the human race.

I guess the question is, are people who are positive and all hippy dippy more successful than the negative nancies?

I suspect the negative movement became cool because it was easier to single out the happy people and make fun of them as being "unrealistic" when it was more a matter of the hipsters were failing to achieve the same level.

I think the key meaning to Umbran's statement is that if we lived in a world where folks didn't think being negative was cool, and hippy dippy stuff was unattainable, our world would actually be a better place.
 

Kramodlog

Naked and living in a barrel
You deserve uber-XP for this, Umbran, but evidently I must spread the love around.

What you say is almost a cultural epidemic, especially among Gen X and Yers, related to what I've called "hipster apathy." I see it ranging across cultural spheres and forms of media, where if art isn't gloomy and dark then it must be shmaltzy and saccharine.
Yeah, cause cynicism is a new thing kids are into these days. Back in the day it didn't exist. Damn beatniks!

I find this particularly irking in fantasy fiction, where the classic secondary world quest fantasy has been subsumed by the "grimdark" movement. I think this especially took hold when A Song of Ice and Fire became popular in the late 90s, but then blossomed in the 00s. Now it is hard to find a good old farmboy-to-prophecied quest fantasy that doesn't involve torture porn or sado-masochism of some kind.
Bolded the key word. That is the problem right there. People get tired of the same old crap. Love is superdoubleplusgood is overdone.

Especially considering that Hawking divorced twice and was abusive.

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of grim-and-gritty fantasy, such as ASoIF, Erikson's Malazan, Bakker's A Prince of Nothing, etc. But I miss the days of fantasy that wasn't so fixated on the darker side of life. There are still a bunch of authors in this vein, but they seem the minority these days.
It is just that there is more diversity nowadays. The audience is fragmented, so the books out there will reflect that. It is not a dichotomy between two styles.
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
I guess the question is, are people who are positive and all hippy dippy more successful than the negative nancies?

And, before we do that, define "success".

I think the key meaning to Umbran's statement is that if we lived in a world where folks didn't think being negative was cool, and hippy dippy stuff was unattainable, our world would actually be a better place.

The idea that good things are unattainable is self-fulfilling prophecy - if you don't believe it can happen, you certainly won't try to make it happen.
 

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