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DPR King Candidates 3.0
savingSquad said:Okay, here's my first shot at calculating something like this . . .
Longtooth Shifter Druid Blightbeast:
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level 16
Longtooth Shifter, Druid, Blightbeast
Build: Guardian Druid
Primal Aspect: Primal Guardian
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Staff)
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Totem)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 14, Con 20, Dex 14, Int 11, Wis 22, Cha 9.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 11, Con 16, Dex 13, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 8.
AC: 29 Fort: 26 Reflex: 23 Will: 27
HP: 107 Surges: 12 Surge Value: 26
TRAINED SKILLS
Nature +19
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +9, Arcana +8, Bluff +7, Diplomacy +7, Dungeoneering +14, Endurance +14, Heal +14, History +8, Insight +14, Intimidate +7, Perception +14, Religion +8, Stealth +9, Streetwise +7, Thievery +9, Athletics +11
FEATS
Druid: Ritual Caster
Level 1: Enraged Boar Form
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate staff)
Level 4: Versatile Expertise
Level 6: Vicious Advantage
Level 8: Gorebrute Charge
Level 10: Ferocious Tiger Form
Level 11: Powerful Charge
Level 12: Weapon Focus (Staff)
Level 14: Opportunistic Withdrawal
Level 16: Ruthless Killer
POWERS
Druid at-will 1: Grasping Claws
ITEMS
Ritual Book, Accurate staff of the Serpent +4, Horned Helm (paragon tier), Claw Gloves (heroic tier), Marauder's Earthhide Armor +3, Bracers of Mighty Striking (paragon tier), Aversion Accurate staff +1, Badge of the Berserker +2, Boots of the Fencing Master (heroic tier), Blood Fury Scythe +1, Baldric of Tactical Positioning (heroic tier), Demonskin Tattoo (heroic tier)
RITUALS
Animal Messenger
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If I Charge a target with Combat Advantage using Grasping Claws:
Attack +25 versus Reflex
Damage 1d8+1d10+3d6+37 + Immobilization
Attack & Damage details:
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+ 6 Wisdom, +8 Level, +4 Enhancement, +2 Versatile, +1 Accurate Staff, +1 Charge, +1 Enraged Boar Form, +2 Combat Advantage
1d8 Grasping Claws, +1d10 Claw Gloves, +2d6 Horned Helm, +1d6 Staff of the Serpent (+4d8 on critical), +6 Wisdom, +4 Enhancement, +2 Weapon Focus, +4 Bracers of Mighty Striking, +2 Enraged Boar Form, +2 Powerful Charge, +3 Gorebrute Charge, +2 Longtooth Shifting, +2 Ferocious Tiger Form, +5 Blightbeast, +5 if target doesn't have necrotic resistance
Opportunistic Withdrawal & Badge of the Berserker aid in charging every round. Grasping Claws & Vicious Advantage aid in getting combat advantage every round. The Blightbeast PP adds necrotic damage = Con, ignores necrotic resistance, and inflicts Vulnerability 5 on any target that lacks necrotic resistance. The Blood Fury weapon is there so that I can trigger Longtooth Shifting at the start of each encounter.
Target Reflex = 28 (Monster NAD: 12+level)
= (.10 * 0) + (.85 * 57.5) + (.05 * 91) = 53.425 + Immobilization
I don't know if I calculated that correctly, so please let me know if I made any mistakes. Also, I don't know if that DPR value is high enough to make the list, but it's not too shabby for a Controller (especially a fairly durable one).
Edit - I should have stated explicitly that this is a Level 16 build.
A little bump in the hopes of being added to the 16th level group for the above build.
Also, here's a 24th level version that takes advantage of the Slashing Storm feat:
If I Charge a target with Combat Advantage using Grasping Claws:
Attack +32 versus Reflex
Damage 2d8+1d10+3d6+52 + Immobilization
Target Reflex = 36 (Monster NAD: 12+level)
= (.20 * 0) + (.75 * 77) + (.05 * 121) = 63.8 + Immobilization
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+ 8 Wisdom, +12 Level, +5 Enhancement, +2 Versatile, +1 Accurate Staff, +1 Charge, +1 Enraged Boar Form, +2 Combat Advantage
2d8 Grasping Claws, +1d10 Claw Gloves, +2d6 Horned Helm, +1d6 Staff of Corrosion (+5d8 critical), +8 Wisdom, +5 Enhancement, +3 Weapon Focus, +6 Bracers of Mighty Striking, +2 Enraged Boar Form, +2 Powerful Charge, +3 Gorebrute Charge, +2 Longtooth Shifting, +2 Ferocious Tiger Form, +6 Blightbeast, +5 if target doesn't have necrotic resistance, +8 Slashing Storm
Druid Striker:
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level 24
Longtooth Shifter, Druid, Blightbeast, Reincarnate Champion
Build: Guardian Druid
Primal Aspect: Primal Guardian
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Staff)
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Totem)
Epic Vitality: Epic Vitality Wisdom
Past Spirit: Past Spirit (Razorclaw Shifter)
Past Spirit: Past Spirit (Githzerai)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 23, Dex 14, Int 12, Wis 27, Cha 10.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 12, Con 16, Dex 12, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 8.
AC: 39 Fort: 37 Reflex: 33 Will: 37
HP: 150 Surges: 13 Surge Value: 37
TRAINED SKILLS
Nature +27, Perception +27, Insight +27, Endurance +25
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +14, Arcana +15, Bluff +14, Diplomacy +14, Dungeoneering +22, Heal +22, History +15, Intimidate +14, Religion +15, Stealth +14, Streetwise +14, Thievery +14, Athletics +17
FEATS
Druid: Ritual Caster
Level 1: Enraged Boar Form
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Accurate staff)
Level 4: Versatile Expertise
Level 6: Vicious Advantage
Level 8: Gorebrute Charge
Level 10: Ferocious Tiger Form
Level 11: Powerful Charge
Level 12: Weapon Focus (Staff)
Level 14: Opportunistic Withdrawal (retrained to Githzerai Mobility at Level 24)
Level 16: Ruthless Killer
Level 18: Quick Wild Shape
Level 20: Battle Awareness
Level 21: Slashing Storm
Level 22: Second Skin
Level 24: Robust Defenses
POWERS
Druid at-will 1: Grasping Claws
ITEMS
Ritual Book, Accurate staff of Corrosion +5, Horned Helm (paragon tier), Claw Gloves (heroic tier), Marauder's Stalkerhide Armor +5, Periapt of Cascading Health +4, Bracers of Mighty Striking (epic tier), Aversion Accurate staff +1, Backlash Tattoo (heroic tier), Boots of Quickness (paragon tier), Belt of Vim (paragon tier), Ring of the Dragonborn Emperor (paragon tier), Ring of Many Forms (paragon tier)
RITUALS
Animal Messenger
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savingironsky said:Thanks to the wording of Distant Vengeance, we can use Eldritch Blast with Oath of Emnity as a Avenger|Warlock at range 10.
There's probably more shenanigans than I can get out of this. I prefer Heroic builds, these paragon ones make my head ache. Needed level 16 to get a radiant weapon though...
CB
Avengerlock of Caiphon, level 16
Human, Avenger|Warlock, Student of Caiphon
Hybrid Avenger: Hybrid Avenger Fortitude
Eldritch Pact (Hybrid): Star Pact (Hybrid)
Eldritch Blast: Eldritch Blast Charisma
Hybrid Warlock: Hybrid Warlock Reflex
Arcane Implement Proficiency: Arcane Implement Proficiency (light blade group)
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Light Blade)
Versatile Expertise: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol)
Arcane Admixture Damage Type: Arcane Admixture Cold
Twofold Pact: Sorcerer-King Pact
Human Power Selection: Heroic Effort
Arcane Admixture Power: Eldritch Blast
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 9, Con 12, Dex 11, Int 18, Wis 11, Cha 24.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 11, Dex 10, Int 14, Wis 10, Cha 18.
AC: 27 Fort: 26 Reflex: 29 Will: 32
HP: 100 Surges: 7 Surge Value: 25
TRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +13, Perception +13, Stealth +13, Insight +15
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +12, Bluff +17, Diplomacy +15, Dungeoneering +8, Endurance +9, Heal +8, History +12, Intimidate +15, Nature +8, Religion +12, Streetwise +15, Thievery +8, Athletics +7
FEATS
Human: Killing Curse
Level 1: Arcane Implement Proficiency
Level 2: Versatile Expertise
Level 4: Distant Vengeance
Level 6: Wintertouched
Level 8: Silvery Glow
Level 10: Improved Defenses (retrained to Gifted Death Dealer at Level 11)
Level 11: Arcane Admixture
Level 12: Lasting Frost
Level 14: Twofold Pact
Level 16: Mindbite Scorn
POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Eldritch Blast
Hybrid at-will 1: Avenging Shackles
Hybrid encounter 1: Shadow Tentacles
Hybrid daily 1: Crown of Stars
Hybrid utility 2: Shadow Blend
Hybrid encounter 3: Fury's Advance
Hybrid daily 5: Nine Souls of Wrath
Hybrid utility 6: Prescient Maneuver
Hybrid encounter 7: All the Sand, All the Stars
Hybrid daily 9: Thief of Five Fates
Hybrid utility 10: River of Life
Hybrid encounter 13: Dark Reach of Xevut (replaces Shadow Tentacles)
Hybrid daily 15: Plague of Frogs (replaces Thief of Five Fates)
Hybrid utility 16: Guise of the Laughing Fool
ITEMS
Radiant Accurate dagger +3, Enshrouding Candle (heroic tier), Gloves of Ice (paragon tier), Siberys Shard of Radiance (heroic tier), Executioner's Bracers (heroic tier), Eagle Eye Goggles (heroic tier), Summoned Mindweave Armor +4, Amulet of Double Fortune +4, Rhythm Blade Dagger +1, Symbol of Daring +1, Diamond Cincture (heroic tier), Boots of the Fencing Master (heroic tier), Fireheart Tattoo (heroic tier)
There are a few feats that might be swapped and/or picked next:
*Bloodied Boon and Arbiter of Justice, which means you are pretty much guaranteed your Boon twice per target - which is handy since it now gives an ally and MBA + 5 radiant ongoing whenever it triggers thanks to Student of Caiphon.
*Hybrid Talent for Avenger's +3 AC and Unarmored Agility so your AC isn't hit on a 6...
*Accurate Dagger Prof for more hit, though it's not really needed, at least with Eldrich Blast.
DPR 53.2
+23(7 cha + 8 level + 3 enh + 2 feat + 1 item + 2 CA) vs Reflex 28
.04(0)
.6825(1d10+28(7 cha + 3 enh + 3 feat + 4 int + 1 shard + 3 item + 2 gloves + 5 cold vuln) +3d8 (curse)) = 32.08
.2775(4d6+62) = 21.09
53.2 total.
Unfortunately, Oath only works on Eldrich Blast for Warlock Powers. And Avenger powers for this guy suck. Hard.
Arcane version of the Striker of Pelor essentially... probably more you could do with it than I did.
As a side note, borg285, I added the level 6 version of my Riposte Warden above.
Edit: The top level 16 build still has Spark Slippers.
savingrtrnofdmax said:Frostbow of Sehanine (lvl 24)
Continuing my need to make wonky builds, I created a fully functional Striker/Leader using the normal Twin Strike and Frost-Tech, but with Artificer and Cleric buffs built in. Through Hybridization, you get your two leader heals, some party supporting utilities and all the Twin Strike uber damage your DM can take.
(Disclaimer: This is a paragon build. This also requires a minor amount of setup.)
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Frostbow of Sehanine, level 24
Half-Elf, Artificer/Cleric, Dusk Oracle, Destined Scion
Hybrid Artificer Option: Hybrid Artificer Fortitude
Hybrid Cleric Option: Battle Cleric's Lore
Versatile Expertise Option: Versatile Expertise (Bow)
Versatile Expertise Option: Versatile Expertise (Holy Symbol)
Epic Heroism Option: Wisdom
Epic Heroism Option: Intelligence
Half-Elf Power Selection Option: Dilettante
Magic Scholar (Magic Scholar Benefit)
Theme: Ordained Priest
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
STR 10, CON 16, DEX 12, INT 22, WIS 29, CHA 12
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
STR 8, CON 11, DEX 10, INT 14, WIS 18, CHA 10
AC: 40 Fort: 35 Ref: 36 Will: 40
HP: 143 Surges: 9 Surge Value: 35
TRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +24, Insight +30, Religion +25
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +13, Athletics +12, Bluff +13, Diplomacy +15, Dungeoneering +21, Endurance +15, Heal +21, History +19, Intimidate +13, Nature +21, Perception +21, Stealth +13, Streetwise +13, Thievery +13
POWERS
Basic Attack: Melee Basic Attack
Basic Attack: Ranged Basic Attack
Ordained Priest Attack: Shining Symbol
Artificer Feature: Healing Infusion: Curative Admixture
Artificer Feature: Healing Infusion: Resistive Formula
Cleric Utility: Healing Word
Ranger Attack 1: Twin Strike
Artificer Attack 1: Magic Weapon
Cleric Attack 1: Sacred Flame
Artificer Attack 1: Icebound Sigil
Cleric Utility 2: Bless
Cleric Attack 5: Weapon of the Gods
Artificer Utility 6: Energy Conversion
Artificer Utility 10: Sigil of Luck
Dusk Oracle Attack 11: Foreseen Hit
Dusk Oracle Utility 12: Predicted Outcome
Cleric Attack 13: Ominous Portent
Artificer Attack 15: Lightning Sigil
Artificer Utility 16: Vorpal Edge
Artificer Attack 17: Arsenal Transference
Dusk Oracle Attack 20: Foreseen Battle
Cleric Utility 22: Prophetic Fervor
Cleric Attack 23: Word of Deterrence
FEATS
Level 1: Moonbow Dedicate
Level 2: Adept Dilettante
Level 4: Silvery Glow
Level 6: Versatile Expertise
Level 8: Impending Victory
Level 10: Wintertouched
Level 11: Versatile Master
Level 12: Lasting Frost
Level 14: Critical Targeting
Level 16: Point-Blank Shot
Level 18: Distant Advantage
Level 20: Improved Defenses
Level 21: Bow Mastery
Level 22: Battlewise
Level 24: Superior Initiative
ITEMS
Gloves of Ice (epic tier) x1
Bracers of Archery (paragon tier) x1
Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (epic tier)
Frost Shortbow +5 x1
Amulet of Protection +5 x1
Veteran's Nagascale Armor +5 x1
====== End ======
The fun and unique part of this build comes from the three separate Daily weapon augments that add 3+ damage and some amount to hit. These calcs also assume you are using a Frozen Whetstone to add some more damage. You can drop these if you have other item dailies since you still get the frost keyword from your weapon. Standard setup is minor for a weapon augment and move->minor for the Frozen Whetstone. If you want to go nova, it will take two rounds for all three weapon augments and a whetstone.
Assumptions:
1) CA from Wintertouched is active.
2) At least one weapon augment and whetstone have been applied (see breakdown below).
DPR Calcs
Attack Bonus
Damage
Weapon 5 Weapon 9
Level 12 Enh 5
Stat 9 Bracers 4
Expertise 3 Lasting Frost 5
Prof 2 Shard 5
CA 2 Gloves 4
Destine Scion 1 Moonbow 4
Whetstone 4
34
40
Base DPR 2*0.8*40+2*0.05*(47+17.5) 70.45
Bloodied 2*0.85*40+2*0.05*(47+17.5) 74.45
Icebound Sigil 2*0.8*43+2*0.05*(50+17.5) 75.55
Bloodied 2*0.85*43+2*0.05*(50+17.5) 79.85
WotG 2*0.9*43.5+2*0.05*(50.5+17.5) 85.1
Bloodied 2*0.9*43.5+2*0.05*(50.5+17.5) 85.1
Lightning Sigil 2*0.8*48+2*0.05*(55+17.5) 84.05
Bloodied 2*0.85*48+2*0.05*(55+17.5) 88.85
Sigil of Luck 2*0.9*43+2*0.05*(50+17.5) 84.15
Bloodied 2*0.9*43+2*0.05*(50+17.5) 84.15
Vorpal Edge 2*0.8*40+2*0.15*(47+17.5) 83.35
Bloodied 2*0.8*40+2*0.15*(47+17.5) 83.35
All 2*0.8*57.5+2*0.15*(64.5+17.5) 116.6
Bloodied 2*0.8*57.5+2*0.15*(64.5+17.5) 116.6
So at 24, this build hits a bit of a wall. You can still pump awesome damage out for being a decent healer and buffer, but the biggest issue is the number of attacks. The DPR king builds are finding a way to make 3 or 4 attacks, where this build makes just the two. Make no mistake, this is still a lot of damage and you will miss very rarely, but I thought I would clarify why it's half the current DPR king value.
You can probably add some theoretical DPR given all of the immediate attacks, but that doesn't fit into these calculations or methodology.
savingthespaceinvader said:Pretty much not valid King material on any version I've yet worked up, but I haven't finished fiddling with my Twin Strike one yet.
EDIT: managed to get the Twin Strike half-elf CHAguard up to 108 at-will DPR at 30th in melee, and everything works with ranged attacks too, with d4 damage dice from Frost Dagger (not taking into account miss and crit chances because, frankly, I don't really know how, and I think the latter, at least, would have soem impact given that I managed to squeeze in Light Blade Mastery - and it goes up to 128 if you used Avatar of Vice earlier in the encounter) and 264.5 on an encounter basis with an AP (goes up to 294.5 with AoV).
It's kicking around the lower end of the table, but it's kicking around at the table. Missing out on Surprising Charge is perhaps a key issue (because Adept Dilettante means you MC ranger), and not being able to swap in a Ranger minor-action power is similarly a problem that seems unlikely to find a solution until (or unless) the Blackguard finally gets a seat at the head of the table from a Martial Cross-Training-style feat, at which point the whole build needs significant re-working, probably to include Traveller's Harlequin, MC Bard, and Combat Virtuoso.
Feat order could use some work, but it'll be at least functional from first level, albeit it doesn't work massively well until Paragon.
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level 30
Half-Elf, Blackguard, Champion of Corellon, Destined Scion
Epic Heroism: Epic Heroism (Charisma)
Epic Heroism: Epic Heroism (Dexterity)
Half elf Power Selection: Dilettante
Background: Auspicious Birth (Auspicious Birth Benefit)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 17, Con 14, Dex 21, Int 12, Wis 10, Cha 30.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 13, Con 10, Dex 13, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 18.
AC: 48 Fort: 37 Reflex: 38 Will: 46
HP: 219 Surges: 20 Surge Value: 60
TRAINED SKILLS
Bluff +30, Athletics +21, Endurance +20, Intimidate +30, Stealth +23
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +18, Arcana +16, Diplomacy +27, Dungeoneering +15, Heal +15, History +16, Insight +17, Nature +15, Perception +15, Religion +16, Streetwise +25, Thievery +18
FEATS
Level 1: Melee Training (Charisma) (retrained to Versatile Master at Level 11)
Level 2: Adept Dilettante
Level 4: Effortless Dilettante
Level 6: Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 8: Two-Weapon Defense
Level 10: Light Blade Expertise
Level 11: Lasting Frost
Level 12: Nimble Blade
Level 14: Weapon Focus (Light Blade)
Level 16: Superior Will
Level 18: Wintertouched
Level 20: Disciple of Freedom
Level 21: Prime Hunter
Level 22: Divine Mastery
Level 24: Superior Initiative
Level 26: Long Step
Level 28: Two-Blade Warrior
Level 30: Light Blade Mastery
POWERS
Dilettante: Twin Strike
Blackguard daily 5: Radiant Delirium
Blackguard utility 6: Mighty Sprint
Blackguard daily 9: Ray of Reprisal
Blackguard utility 10: Valiant Rush
Blackguard daily 15: Knight's Defiance (replaces Radiant Delirium)
Blackguard utility 16: Divine Aegis
Blackguard daily 19: Ruinous Smite (replaces Ray of Reprisal)
Blackguard daily 25: Discipline the Unruly (replaces Knight's Defiance)
ITEMS
Gloves of Ice (paragon tier), Frost Rapier +6 (2), Siberys Shard of Merciless Cold (epic tier) (2), Blood Fury Handaxe +1, Godplate Armor of Durability +6, Iron Armbands of Power (epic tier), Bracers of Mental Might (heroic tier), Ring of Tenacious Will (epic tier), Ring of Free Time (epic tier), Airstriders (epic tier), Horned Helm (epic tier), Belt of Vitality (epic tier), Torc of Power Preservation +6 (2), Demonskin Tattoo (epic tier), Frost Dagger +6
savingkilpatds said:I'd like to add a not-that-tweaked fighter as sort of a baseline "should beat this"
Beatstick. Level 30 Longtooth Shifter Fighter/Son of Mercy/Demigod. Sorry for the lack of a summary.
[sblock build]
16/14/14 array. 16 in Str, 14 in Con and Wis. Boost Str & Con ever level.
Feats: Versatile Expertise, Weapon Focus, Ogremight Student, Power Attack, Lasting Frost, Marked Scourge, Wintertouched, Robust Defenses, Reckless Attacker, Defender of the Wild, Crippling Crust, Bludgeon Mastery, Weapon Proficiency (Mordencrad), 5 feats to be determined.
Equipment: The usual permafrost suspects, +6 Frost Mordencrad, 5 +1 Master's Blade Daggers. War Ring, Ring of Giants
[/sblock]
Cheese: Permafrost. Using Daily Item uses: a large collection of +1 Master's Blade Daggers.
DPR: 95.37 (1?)
[sblock Calculation]
Assuming Battlefury Stance, and Martial Supremacy (both encounter stances. Using the daily power from a Master's Blade to use both). Attack with Brash Strike
To Hit: +15(level)+9(str)+6(magic)+3(expertise)+2(proficiency)+2(Brash Strike)+2(Combat Advantage)+1(fighter)+1(ogremight student)-2(Power Attacking)
To Hit: +39 vs. AC of 44. Reroll misses from Martial Supremacy
Hit Chance: 96%. Crit Chance: 12% (10% chance of critting on the first roll, 20% chance of missing, and a 10% chance of critting on the second roll)
Damage: 4d6b1(weapon)+9(str)+9(power attack+7(Con: Brash Strike)+7(Con: Crippling Crush)+6(Battle Fury Stance)+6(IAoP)+5(cold dragon shard)+5(Lasting Frost)+4(Wis: Son of Mercy)+3(Weapon Focus)+2(Ice Gloves)
Damage: 79 averge.
Crit Damage: +6d6+2d6b2(War Ring)+12(Ring of Giants) + Basic Attack
Crit Damage: 128 + Basic Attack.
Basic Attack DPR (for inclusion later via Reckless Attacker)
BA: 0.96 * 79 + 0.12 * (128-79) = 81.72
DPR:
BS: 0.96 * (79 + 4) + 0.12 * (128-79+81.72) = 95.3664
[/sblock]
savj gsvendj said:Among the Kings of level 1 there's a cool unorthodox Warlock|Swordmage combination by Kylian that's a little outdated.
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Here's another character concept using Eyebite, at level 1.
Level 1 Human Assault Swordmage|Warlock
Cheese used: 8
DPR: 20.85
Str 10 Con 11 Dex 10 Int 14 Wis 8 Cha 20
At-will: Eyebite, Eldritch Strike, 1 swordmage open
Feats: Focused Expertise, Weapon Focus
Items: longsword, leather armor
DPR Calculations
Assumptions: You've used your aegis on the target and cursed it. Your target doesn't try to attack you because you're far away (up to 10 squares) and invisible when you hit him with Eyebite.
Eyebite to-hit: 5 (abil mod) + 1 (expertise) = +6
Eldritch Strike to-hit: 5 (abil mod) + 3 (prof) + 1 (expertise) + 2 (invis CA) = +11
Eyebite damage: 5 (abil mod) + 1 (weapon focus) = +6
Eldritch Strike damage: 5 (abil mod) + 1 (versatile) + 1 (weapon focus) = +7
Curse damage: 1d6 per round.
Total DPR: 20.85
By going Sorcerer King as your pact and taking Mindbite Scorn and Killing Curse as your level 1 feats, the DPR increases as followed using the above calculation:
DPR Calculations, updated
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Eyebite to-hit: +4 (abil mod)
Eldritch Strike to-hit: 4 (abil mod) + 3 (prof) + 2 (invis CA) = +9
Eyebite damage: 1d6 + 4 (abil mod) + 2d8 (curse)
Eldritch Strike damage: 1d8+4 (abil mod) + 2d8 (curse)
Total DPR: 23.09
To get to the realistic DPR though, you have to incorporate the chances of
1. Eyebite not hitting
2. The marked enemy not hitting your ally
This would bring the DPR down to around 15.
savingsphar said:I have a new DPR candidate for level 1;hopefully it's viable >_<
Spelldancer,Human Bladesinger
CA is assumed through flanking.He is using a rapier.His feats are Suprising Charge and MC Rogue.The power he is using is an MBA coupled with Lightning Ring.The first DPR assumes the opponent moves after he is hit.The second does not.
To-Hit:5(Dex)+3(Wpn Proficiency)+2(CA)=+10
Monster AC:15
Chance-to-Hit:1-.05(15-10-1)=.80
Damage:1d8(Rapier)+1d8(Suprising charge)+5(Dex)+5 (Lightning Ring)+5(Lightning ring secondary effect)=24
DPR: .80(24)+.05(31)=20.75
To-Hit:+8
Chance-to-Hit: .70
Damage:19
DPR: .70(19)+.05(26)=14.6
savingtl said:@netarious: really sorry, I read it as different vulnerabilities don't stack... was this new rule really ever questionable?
here used to be a Rogue|Tempest, but it was full of errors, so here's a stand-in... my 1st level brutal bugbear leveled
Brutal Bugbear; DPR 30
Bugbear Brutal Rogue 6 (@)
Dex 20, Str 18
feats:
Backstabber, Versatile Duelist, WE, WF
gear:
Mage's Bastard Sword +2, Iron Armbands of Power, Gauntlets of Blood
Bastard Sword Piercing Strike
Attack: +16 vs Ref
Hit: 1d12 + 2d8 + 15
breakdown
3 (lvl) + 5 (Dex) + 2 (Ench) + 3 (prof) + 1 (feat) + 2 (CA)
5 (Dex) + 2 (Ench) + 4 (Str on SA) + 2 (Bracers) + 1 (gauntlets) + 1 (versatile)
target will be bloodied 50% of the time, so gauntlets provide half their bonus
DPR (CA): (0.9*30.5)+(0.05*51) = 30
EDIT: I noticed you added cheese number for off-hand Vanguard. in that case, my highest 6th level entry (Longtooth Avenger (not the no-offhand-Vanguard version)) should get (5)
may I suggest making (5) something more that would include Subtle for example, like "applying offhand properties to mainhand attack and it making no sense". well, I can't write it better then that, but it gets the message over
savingironsky said:Here's a Hellfire Rebuke warlock approach to DPR at level 6.
It assumes that the warlock is hit by the enemy it blasted with Hellfire Rebuke and that it has Prime Shot. DPR is roughly halved if this doesn't happen.
Hellfire Rebuke, 29.28 DPR (32.76 if enemy bloodied)
.20(0) + .75(17) + .05(34.5) = 14.47
When hit: .8(18.5) = 14.81
Total: 29.28 DPR
With CA(which he can get since he can use ranged attacks without provoking OAs): 32.83
If enemy bloodied: .15(0) + .75(19) + .05(36.5) = 17.03
When hit: .8(18.5) = 15.73
Total: 32.76 DPR
With CA: 36.51
Pure Build, Level 6
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Hellfire Rebuker, level 6
Revenant, Warlock
Eldritch Pact: Infernal Pact
Eldritch Blast: Eldritch Blast Constitution
Choose your Race in Life: Tiefling
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 21, Dex 12, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 13.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 18, Dex 10, Int 13, Wis 8, Cha 13.
AC: 17 Fort: 19 Reflex: 17 Will: 16
HP: 58 Surges: 11 Surge Value: 14
TRAINED SKILLS
Streetwise +9, Bluff +9, Intimidate +11, Thievery +9
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +4, Arcana +5, Diplomacy +4, Dungeoneering +2, Endurance +10, Heal +2, History +5, Insight +2, Nature +2, Perception +2, Religion +5, Stealth +4, Athletics +3
FEATS
Level 1: Hellfire Blood
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Cinder wand)
Level 4: Implement Expertise (Wand)
Level 6: White Lotus Riposte
POWERS
Eldritch Blast: Eldritch Blast
Warlock encounter 1: Witchfire
Warlock daily 1: Flames of Phlegethos
Warlock utility 2: Charm of Hearts
Warlock encounter 3: Fiery Bolt
Warlock daily 5: Vestige of Ugar
Warlock utility 6: Life Siphon
ITEMS
Magic Cinder wand +2, Veteran's Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing) +2, Amulet of Life +1, Gauntlets of Blood (Heroic Tier)
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I also made a hybrid Wizard|Warlock that doesn't have quite the DPR, but has the advantage of being able to do good AoE and single target DPR. DPR is 24.6(27.98 if target bloodied) with Hellfire Rebuke and 12.78 DPR(3x3) with Scorching Bursts.
This build also has the advantage of dropping 10.5 extra DPR through Infernal Wrath the first time it's hit as a little bonus. I also like the ability to do decent single and AOE damage with the same build.
Scorching Burst, 12.78(3x3) DPR(15.1 if enemy bloodied)
.35(0) + .6(14.5) + .05(29.5) = 10.18
When hit: .65(4) = 2.6
Total = 12.78 DPR
If enemy is bloodied: .3(0) + .65(16.5) + .05(31.5) = 12.3
When hit: .7(4) = 2.8
Total = 15.1 DPR
Hybrid Build, Level 6
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Infernus, level 6
Tiefling, Warlock|Wizard
Eldritch Pact (Hybrid): Infernal Pact (Hybrid)
Hybrid Warlock: Hybrid Warlock Will
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 18, Dex 10, Int 19, Wis 10, Cha 13.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 17, Dex 10, Int 16, Wis 10, Cha 11.
AC: 19 Fort: 18 Reflex: 18 Will: 17
HP: 49 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 12
TRAINED SKILLS
Bluff +11, History +12, Arcana +12
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +3, Diplomacy +4, Dungeoneering +3, Endurance +7, Heal +3, Insight +3, Intimidate +4, Nature +3, Perception +3, Religion +7, Stealth +5, Streetwise +4, Thievery +3, Athletics +2
FEATS
Level 1: Hellfire Blood
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Cinder wand)
Level 4: Hellfire Arcanist
Level 6: White Lotus Riposte
POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Scorching Burst
Hybrid at-will 1: Hellish Rebuke
Hybrid encounter 1: Burning Hands
Hybrid daily 1: Flaming Sphere
Hybrid utility 2: Shield
Hybrid encounter 3: Fiery Bolt
Hybrid daily 5: Vestige of Ugar
Hybrid utility 6: Life Siphon
ITEMS
Amulet of Life +1, Magic Cinder wand +2, Veteran's Cloth Armor (Basic Clothing) +2, Gauntlets of Blood (heroic tier)
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The Hellfire/White Lotus Lock does ok at level 1 as well, though again losing a ton of damage if the enemy doesn't hit him.
Hellfire Rebuke, 17.45 DPR (18.75 if enemy bloodied)
.3(0) + .65(12) + .05(17) = 8
When hit: .7 (13.5) = 9.45
Total: 17.45 DPR
With CA: 18.65 (20.15 if enemy bloodied)
At level 16, the Hybrid is still doing pretty decent, with the nice advantage that it ignores fire resistance with ALL its attack powers.
Hellfire Rebuke, 54.22 DPR(62.87 if enemy bloodied)
.35(0) + .6(33.5) + .05(71.5) = 23.68
When hit: .65(29.5 + 17.48) = 30.54
Total: 54.22 DPR
With CA: 62.24
If enemy bloodied: .3(0) + .65(35.5) + .05(73.5) = 26.75
When hit: .7(31.5 + 20.1) = 36.12
Total: 62.87 DPR
With CA: 71.58
Scorching Burst, 32.13(3x3) DPR(37.67 if enemy bloodied)
.35(0) + .6(24.5) + .05(55.5) = 17.5
When hit: .65(22.5) = 14.63
Total: 32.13
If enemy bloodied: .35(0) + .65(26.5) + .05(57.5) = 20.1
When hit: .7(25.1) = 17.57
Total: 37.67
Note: Scorching Burst DPR assumes that the Warlock will be able to target the same enemies with White Lotus Master Riposte as it did in the initial Burst.
Hybrid Build, Level 16
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Infernus, level 16
Tiefling, Warlock|Wizard, Hellbringer
Eldritch Pact (Hybrid): Infernal Pact (Hybrid)
Hybrid Warlock: Hybrid Warlock Will
Hybrid Talent: Warlock Pact Boon
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 9, Con 21, Dex 13, Int 21, Wis 12, Cha 13.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 8, Con 17, Dex 12, Int 15, Wis 11, Cha 10.
AC: 28 Fort: 28 Reflex: 28 Will: 27
HP: 92 Surges: 11 Surge Value: 23
TRAINED SKILLS
Bluff +16, History +18, Arcana +18
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +9, Diplomacy +9, Dungeoneering +9, Endurance +13, Heal +9, Insight +9, Intimidate +9, Nature +9, Perception +9, Religion +13, Stealth +11, Streetwise +9, Thievery +9, Athletics +7
FEATS
Level 1: Hellfire Blood
Level 2: Superior Implement Training (Cinder wand)
Level 4: Hellfire Arcanist
Level 6: Hybrid Talent
Level 8: Unarmored Agility
Level 10: White Lotus Riposte
Level 11: Dual Implement Spellcaster
Level 12: Killing Curse
Level 14: Implement Expertise (Wand)
Level 16: White Lotus Master Riposte
POWERS
Hybrid at-will 1: Scorching Burst
Hybrid at-will 1: Hellish Rebuke
Hybrid encounter 1: Burning Hands
Hybrid daily 1: Flaming Sphere
Hybrid utility 2: Charm of Hearts
Hybrid encounter 3: Fiery Bolt
Hybrid daily 5: Vestige of Ugar
Hybrid utility 6: Fire Shield
Hybrid encounter 7: Fire Burst
Hybrid daily 9: Wall of Fire
Hybrid utility 10: Repelling Shield
Hybrid encounter 13: Frostburn (replaces Burning Hands)
Hybrid daily 15: Prismatic Beams (replaces Flaming Sphere)
Hybrid utility 16: Stoneskin
ITEMS
Long Battle Tattoo (heroic tier), Executioner's Bracers (heroic tier), Stalwart Belt (heroic tier), Magic Cinder wand +4, Defensive Staff +3, Gauntlets of Blood (heroic tier), Shadowdance Githweave Armor +3, Fireflower Pendant +4, Boots of the Fencing Master (heroic tier), Cat's-Eye Headband (heroic tier)
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This is my first post here after skimming these boards since 4e came out, so I'm sure there's a million things I missed and probably some way to double the DPR I came up with - heck someone's probably built and posted it and I just missed it. I did have fun tinkering around and running the numbers though.
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