Encounters with the Supernatural

teitan · Aug 30, 2003

I have been studying the occult for ten years... practicing ritual magick etc. Lots of experiences with synchronicity etc.

Ok, my instructor HATED president Clinton, personally I admire the man but, hell, we all can't be perfect... Anyway, one day DB and I do a ritual to summon a Goetic spirit, Furfur to be exact... well, I was just the seer so I didn't issue the commands. Well, DB starts to raise his voice in a lilt and commands Furfur, already his servitor, to tear off Clinton's head and tear his life apart... Well, a few months later the Lewinsky scandal breaks out. We are sitting in the living room when we both hear a voice tell us to turn on the news... there is Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that young woman!" and wagging his finger at the media. Of course the scandal broke out and the weird part is that the relationship between Slick WIlly and Modest Monica started about the same time as our little ritual. Of course I am reading into it, but hell, it is Call of Cthulhu darnit.

One of my earliest memories is of Halloween night in Racine, Ohio. We had just got done rebuilding our house after a pretty bad fire. I was 5 years old and prone to seeing things that aren't there, well, I go into the kitchen and see a little red man with horns and a tail. We talk, he tells me that my mother's wedding band had broken. My grandma Betty hears me talking to someone and comes to look who it is and sees no one. She asks me who I was talking to and I say his name... Lairuhman (phonetic spelling). of course she didn't believe me. A few days later our parents take us to a restaurant called the Down Under in Gallipolis, OH after a movie, actually, I think it was Dragonslayer (I wanted to see it), though it may have been Herbie Goes Bananas. Well, they take this moment to tell us that they are getting a divorce and we are moving to Pomeroy with our mother. I actually still remember my last words to my father as we unpacked the truck at the new house: "Daddy, are you staying with us?" and it was actually the last thing I ever said of that nature to him. We were never very close...

Anyway... weirdest part... I got into drugs really bad when I was a senior in high school. One of my friends decided to help me. He had been studying the occult for a few years prior and asked me to come over. He had had a vision of me and wanted to tell me a message from... Lairuhman. Weirdness.

Jason (all true)

Hawkeye · Aug 31, 2003

Ah, so we are only 1% apart!

And since the difference between 0 and 1 is an infinity, we can either never agree on anything, or in an infinite universe, we are the same person, with a multiple personality disorder, arguing with ourself(ves) on this messageboard. :b

You can believe what you want, and make whatever personal insinuations about him that you want, but that does not affect at all the strength of his reasoning. A much better source for exposing Randle's sloppy, sensationalistic approach would be Kal Korff's book "The Roswell UFO Crash"

I have read both. I don't think the entire story is known on Roswell and will probably be more mundane when the full truth is out. The main problem is, that the government keeps changing its story. I am not doubting Klass' intelligecne, education or dedication. I think he was doing the job he was hired to do so. Sometimes it seems to the point that he automatically debunked things as almost a knee jerk reaction.

Also, during the Cold War, the USSR did commonly use aircraft to test US air defense, flying at US territory until discovered and ordered out. Some of these flights got embarrasingly deep; it would be in the US government's best interests to have these seen as "UFO's - mebbe aliens" than air defense holes. In fact, some of the most famous UFO cases were Soviet planes. (I can only assume the US was doing the same thing.)

I agree. The US was doing the same thing. Last figure I heard there were like 150 US pilots that never came back from "training" missions that involved over flights of the Soviet Union.

Please examine this page for the largest scientific study on UFO's:

http://ncas.sawco.com/condon/index.html

Its probably the largest official, pubically known study, but I think NICAP or MUFON's ongoing scientific study of the phenomena might be the largest. I know of this study. Its 35+ years old. Isn't it possible in that time that advances in technology and our understanding of the Universe might bring a different conclusion upon re-examination of the evidence? Isn't reproducability of a study or experiment the hallmark of science? That evidence needs to be reviewed, though since its based mostly on eye-witness reports and we all know how fallible we all are.

the conclusions would be either the same or inconclusive. I would like to see a new study, just like this with federal backing. Of course, fantatics on both sides of the question would attack the results.

Hawkeye

dave_o · Aug 31, 2003

And now, chilling tales from Dave's (soon-to-be-former) home, presents - The Stalker in Woods.

I live in a valley. The woods encroach on my home, to the tune of there being a nigh-inpenetrable treeline thirty yards away from my house, at furthest. Behind my home is a considerably large creek, running through the woods, and so my place is home to lots of great, creepy noises - but this one is different.

You've all read the former stories, about the insane Wheeler house, about the "door thudder", the giggling - but this noise, I'm rather sure, is another embodiment of that very "door thudder".

At least three of you just looked over your shoulder.

And that's what I do, a lot, here, as well. Why? The Stalker in Woods. If you walk around outside my home, you will hear someone walking behind you. It's a very obvious, distinct stepping behind you - the grass bends down behind you, and even second-hand parties hear it when you walk by. If you step up on the porch? The footsteps continue, on the wood. Walk on gravel? Crunch, crunch.

Not very creepy, right?

Sometimes, it casts a shadow. Meaning, if you're standing there with a light to your back, you'll see some way tall guy standing over your shoulder. And remember my post about the big, black figure I saw around age three?

It's him.

The_Universe · Aug 31, 2003

run dave, run!

Run Dave! Run!

:d

Rugger · Sep 2, 2003

Aw dammit, Dave...

I live in the sticks in Vermont...and all of you stories hit WAY to close to home...

Is it bad that I won't let my dog get more than 10 feet away from me when I take her out at night...cause I'm scared outta my mind?

If I EVER hear a Door Thudder, or Creepy Walking Behind You Guy...I'm moving.

Just when this thread looks to be dying out...the heebie-jeebies come right back!

-Rugger
"I CringeInFear!"

Goddess FallenAngel · Sep 2, 2003

Dave, if you ever vanish from the boards, we will at least know what happened to you.... *the door thudder was one of the major things that freaked me out on this thread*

Dr. Harry · Sep 2, 2003

Hawkeye said:
Dr. Harry said:

Ah, so we are only 1% apart!

Click to expand...

And since the difference between 0 and 1 is an infinity, we can either never agree on anything, or in an infinite universe, we are the same person, with a multiple personality disorder, arguing with ourself(ves) on this messageboard. :b

Re: Kevin Randle, UFO publicist, and also Kal Korff's book "The Roswell UFO Crash"

I have read both. I don't think the entire story is known on Roswell and will probably be more mundane when the full truth is out. The main problem is, that the government keeps changing its story.

There were several difficulties to getting the "full" Roswell story.

1) The first interviews for the first book were conducted in 1978 - more that 30 years after the event alledgedly took place.

2) What evidence was available to the general public showed that the primary Roswell "witness" (former Major Jesse Marcel) has a difficult time telling the unvarnished truth.

3) Officers at Roswell AAFB were able to recognize the remnants of weather balloons and radar reflectors, but the U.S. government denied that any balloons had been released. This was because the source of the debris (project MOGUL) was classified due to its nature. Project MOGUL was part of a project for spying on the Soviet Union. High altitude reconnasaince was conducted by releasing a series of balloons with radar reflectors and material that would show traces of the particles that would result from a Soviet nuclear test. The balloons would be launched from western Europe and recovered in the Pacific. This confusion could not be cleared up until recently, when the U.S. government declassified the material.

4) Due to the long time lag, there is substantial evidence that the dating of other events has become confused as several "witnesses" associate events that demonstrably took place at other times with the Roswell event. The Air Force report can be obtained through:

http://www.af.mil/lib/roswell/

I am not doubting Klass' intelligecne, education or dedication. I think he was doing the job he was hired to do so. Sometimes it seems to the point that he automatically debunked things as almost a knee jerk reaction.

You are not doubting his intelligence, education, or dedication, but you are making a serious slam against his integrity. Still, this does not affect his actual arguments. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

http://ncas.sawco.com/condon/index.html

Its probably the largest official, pubically known study, but I think NICAP or MUFON's ongoing scientific study of the phenomena might be the largest. I know of this study. Its 35+ years old.

A scientific study must be published, and it must be made available for review by qualified individuals. In this sense, NICAP & MUFON have simply been gathering data.

Isn't it possible in that time that advances in technology and our understanding of the Universe might bring a different conclusion upon re-examination of the evidence?

There is nothing to suggest that the results would be any different in form: Any event that allowed reasonable examination showed no evidence of alien activity. (That does seem to be the conclusion of your next paragraph, to be fair.) The changes in our understanding of the universe have made the alien hypothesis less likely, not more likely.

Isn't reproducability of a study or experiment the hallmark of science? That evidence needs to be reviewed, though since its based mostly on eye-witness reports and we all know how fallible we all are. the conclusions would be either the same or inconclusive. I would like to see a new study, just like this with federal backing.

The difficulty, of course, comes from finding funds for such a study. The previous examinations of this material have been negative enough that I do not know of a professional who wants to spend his/her valuable research time on a question that seems to have so little prospect.

Dr. Harry, Astronomer at large

MoonRaven · Sep 2, 2003

I'm actually a medium/psychic/whatever you want to call it. I see dead people on a regular basis, as well as remote view, and I've got a weird remote-viewish sort of ability to be able to look at a mundane picture and be able to pick up on ghosts, etc that were in the area at the time of the pic, plus give details on the ghosts and what they were doing, etc. (I've actually done this for a paranormal research team in the UK several times). I have too many stories to describe, really, since I see ghosts on a regular basis (it's actually not that amazing to me, though I can see why others can be fascinated by it). There's a good site run by a medium in the UK at www.andrewgarley.org.uk. I'm sure if you look thorugh their forum you'll be able to come across many stories and instances. The people are great there, and it's a site for skeptics and mediums and everyone in between. I suggest it

Kesh · Sep 3, 2003

The problem with Roswell and other similar events is that, regardless of what comes to light, you'll never convince everyone it's the truth. The conspiracy nuts will claim things are being hidden or lied about, while the die-hard skeptics will always say evidence was manufactured and witnesses were lying or misremembering.

It's one of those things, like the Kennedy assassintion, that you'll never get 100% resolution on, because there's always someone who has their own idea.

wolfen · Sep 3, 2003

MoonRaven said:
I've got a weird remote-viewish sort of ability to be able to look at a mundane picture and be able to pick up on ghosts, etc that were in the area at the time of the pic, plus give details on the ghosts and what they were doing

I would think that could be funny at times. Looking at a huge billboard of a Cheeseburger and thinking about the axe-murdering ghost that would like to make hamburger of the photographer. Or getting a porn pop-up on your computer and associating the image with a deceased janitor looking for a toilet to clean, etc...

On the other hand, I wonder how your other perception might interfere/interrupt your gaming? "Marylin [Monroe], can't you see I'm trying to slay the freakin' dragon! Wait for me at home in the driveway. I tell you, she's such a prima donna."

Anyway, thanks for the post.

wolfen
(whose glad he only has the dreams and vague conversations, for now)