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  1. #391

    You are triping about Blade singer

    1- The class is an archetype of wizard, so it's an wizard after all.
    2- It has the intelligence + dex+ 10 (12 if you are using a light armor). But it's not soo different of the barbarian (dex +con) or the monk (dex+wis) unarmored defense. The difference is the hit dice, the barbarian and the monk has a lot of more life points than the wizard. How could the wizard stand on the front line without a better hit dice? The answer is this case is a Huge AC. You are all right, they probably will now be treat by any attack but a critical one. However, when the attack hits, the wizard will probably fall.
    3- bladesinger could not use a shield and the bladesong at the same time. Review the book.
    4- the amount of damage a bladesinger can deal at an enemy is low comparing if others front lines characters.
    5- It steel been a better option for bladesingers to cast a spell then use a melee attack. So, the biggest advantage relay on the freedom of movement in the battlefield for the caster.
    thanks for reading

  2. #392
    I used to love the bladesinger back in 2e. This 5e bladesinger looks more like yet another Bard as opposed to an Elven keeper of ancient Marshall and Magic. It looking like they reinvented the SongMage class and titled it, Elven Blade Singer... garbage.
    No thanks WotC.

  3. #393
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    North Texas
    I had a Bladesinger in my Out of the Abyss campaign...I can see some of the criticisms around this class and how it can be construed as over-powered or over-shadowing the melee classes. However, I would like to explain how I was able to overcome this.

    First of all, their damage does not scale as well as a similar level melee class. They get a maximum of 2 attacks (3 if they are hasted), whereas a fighter will get 3 (or more) attacks. So, this is kind of a wash.

    Secondly, their AC can get really high, which caused me a bit of frustration a few times. However, they are squishy. To get around that, hit them with spells and effects that target their weakest defense...Constitution, Strength, or Charisma effects. Once I started targeting those saves, I was able to effectively challenge the Bladesinger's player.

    Lastly, if they are going to be in Melee a lot (and they will be), make sure you target them with the mob that has the biggest To Hit bonus and that does the most damage. Yes, you have a smaller chance of hitting them, but if you DO hit them, they are going to feel it!

  4. #394
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    Oct 2005
    Thread necro...

    Quote Originally Posted by clearstream View Post
    Bladesinger (SCAG) is an Arcane Tradition for Wizard that seems to be balanced around the assumption a PC won't have high Intelligence and high Dexterity.
    So... nine months later. Was the bladesinger as bad a you feared in actual play?
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  5. #395
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    Jan 2002
    Shingletown, CA 96088
    Quote Originally Posted by CapnZapp View Post
    You retort with numbers and statistics, so I need you to read my lips: the game's balance is best served by having a ceiling of 15 on starting stats ☺.

    This observation is no less true regardless of what numbers you throw at me... 😉
    Disagree. And I don't see any evidence of this, just your assertion.

    Quote Originally Posted by CapnZapp View Post
    If you want to change the game so it remains balanced even for higher numbers, be my guest. I'm just saying it isn't, no matter how much we wish it was...
    Do you have evidence for this? Or are you making this assertion based on playstyle preference?

  6. #396
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    Jun 2008
    Right now I'm in Italy. Next year, probably Ireland.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester David View Post
    Thread necro...

    So... nine months later. Was the bladesinger as bad a you feared in actual play?
    After playing with Bladesinger for awhile, we agreed not to roll them for our campaigns.

    They're very strong in melee, and they're still full casters. That was too much for us.

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