Baalzebul is back to normal (And other new lore discoveries.)

Kendra Lawrence · May 19, 2018

JacktheRabbit said:
Meh, not sure why anyone ever gets so worked up over fluff. Like it? Then use it. Dont like it? Then dont use it.

Well, in all fairness, it isn't just fluff. Whether you choose to use it or not, it doesn't change the fact it is there in the official lore. Many of us are invested in the setting(s), so "fluff" is bound to get a reaction, especially if it is a change, whether it is good or bad. If none of this stuff mattered, then there would be little point to these books, and no one would care.

SkidAce · May 19, 2018

Umbran said:
If they didn't ever *do* anything with that mystrey in the canon, over 40+ years, it is time to let it go, make the canon more representational, and move on.

What if the mystery was for us to do things with?

MechaPilot · May 19, 2018

Chaosmancer said:
Maybe, but I'm sure DnD has done a single race adventure in the past, and there could be ways to tie it into the larger world and the factions.

Personally, while I'm sure the entire thing would get mucked up by the writing team, getting some attention given to one of the more.... sidelined, races of the DnD multiverse.

D&D has also done a ton of setting books in the past, as well as books for each individual race and class. But, with WotC's current limited release format, the suggested adventure would be too focused on a single race to hook a diverse party, especially since that would be one of only two or three releases for that whole year.

Jester David · May 20, 2018

SkidAce said:
What if the mystery was for us to do things with?

Which solves the problem at tables, but doesn't fix it for anyone wanting to use gnomes but not telling the story, or anyone playing a gnome whose DM didn't tell that story.

They had two options:
1) Have the female gnome gods found, possibly by unnamed adventurers a generation ago, and invent all new goddesses. Who would feel tacked-on, and would likely would be forgotten the next edition change and never get as much traction as the originals.
2) Genderswap some divine beings who are arguably beyond more concepts of "sex" anyway.

The story hook doesn't go away. Rather than just being the gnome goddesses, it's half the gnome pantheon.

JacktheRabbit · May 20, 2018

Kendra Lawrence said:
Well, in all fairness, it isn't just fluff. Whether you choose to use it or not, it doesn't change the fact it is there in the official lore. Many of us are invested in the setting(s), so "fluff" is bound to get a reaction, especially if it is a change, whether it is good or bad. If none of this stuff mattered, then there would be little point to these books, and no one would care.

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It is fluff, nothing more. It is fictional facts written about a fictional creature that does nothing. It does not change how a combat round is run, it does not change how damage happens. It changes the physical appearance of a creature that less than 1% of players care about and about as few DMs planned on using in a campaign.

Dont like it and want to stay "official"? Then set your campaign 6 months, 6 years, 6 decades before the blob form curse ended. You are sill "official" for what that is worth.

Elderbrain · May 20, 2018

Re: New/changed lore, Primus is said to be the one who gave Asmodeus his Ruby Rod, which has the power to force Asmodeus and other Devils to keep to the letter of their contracts, or else suffer some sort of punishment. Baalzebul is said to have commited the worst crime in the history of the Nine Hells (letting his desire to take over other layers get in the way of defense of the Nine Hells from demons), whereas in previous lore Levistus was the worst for slaying Asmodeus's consort Bensocia when she would not join him.

Kendra Lawrence · May 20, 2018

JacktheRabbit said:
ZZzzzzZZZzzzZZZ

It is fluff, nothing more. It is fictional facts written about a fictional creature that does nothing. It does not change how a combat round is run, it does not change how damage happens. It changes the physical appearance of a creature that less than 1% of players care about and about as few DMs planned on using in a campaign.

Dont like it and want to stay "official"? Then set your campaign 6 months, 6 years, 6 decades before the blob form curse ended. You are sill "official" for what that is worth.

I was referring to things in general, not necessarily this change in particular. And if it was all just "fluff" and nobody cared, there would be no point to these forum discussions. If lore was just "fluff" there would be no real reason for it, and we probably wouldn't even be getting books like MToF.

Parmandur · May 21, 2018

Kendra Lawrence said:
I was referring to things in general, not necessarily this change in particular. And if it was all just "fluff" and nobody cared, there would be no point to these forum discussions. If lore was just "fluff" there would be no real reason for it, and we probably wouldn't even be getting books like MToF.

On the contrary, "lore" is just fluff, ephemeral stuff that is made up and changeable, and yet we get books like this anyways. New ideas for use and repurposing by individual DMs, amidst the hard crunch, is good fuel for use at the table. There is no hard Canon or precedent, other than what fluff EotC will entertain at the moment.

Kendra Lawrence · May 21, 2018

I guess all discussions about the setting are "fluff" discussions, then.

Some of us actually care what is done to the setting. If that is "fluff", fine, it still matters to some people.

Parmandur · May 21, 2018

Kendra Lawrence said:
I guess all discussions about the setting are "fluff" discussions, then.

Some of us actually care what is done to the setting. If that is "fluff", fine, it still matters to some people.

Yeah, pretty much. Discussions about "at my table" are more relevant, and these books are meant as toolboxes to facilitate that, nothing less, nothing more.

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