View Poll Results: How do you see bards?
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A great entertainer, but doesn't fit in with adventureing.
A sweet talking rogue that has minor spell access.
Jack of all trades class, pure and simple. (PHB)
Fine as is, but should have more special songs instead of spells, or have unique, purely vocal spells.
Graceful combatants that perform a ballet of death.
Thread: How do you envision bards?
Thursday, 14th March, 2002, 11:39 PM #1
Novice (Lvl 1)
How do you envision bards?
Wanted to gather some info, so just tell me what you think of how bards should be.
Last edited by Tarin Greenflame; Thursday, 14th March, 2002 at 11:48 PM.
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Magsman (Lvl 14)
I think I'd rather eliminate the class from all of my campaigns altogether. Is the Bard a jack of all trades, or a musical magician?
Turns out I just don't care. He's fired from all my campaigns forever. Sorry, Bard.
The Great Druid (Lvl 17)
He's an adventuring entertaining. He's no longer the jack of all trades. He has the potential to do many things, but you're just not able too. It's a fine, misunderstood class. Not everyone expects all fighters and Rogues to be the same, why do they expect all Bards to be similiar?
How do I envision bards?
Minor Trickster (Lvl 4)
I voted other. I see the bard as primarily a warrior poet with perhaps some minor magical talent. There's nothing rogue about him. The PHB bard doesn't quite capture it - not enough combat skill mostly. The arcane spell failure is one of the big problems I should think.
Novice (Lvl 1)
I think the bard is written as sort of a jack of all trades class.
I think such a class should be re-written as the "adventurer" class -(possibly an NPC class), weaker as a whole than all the pc classes but able to dabble in several different abilities and hopefully survive in a dungeon. A person who wants to be GOOD at a bunch of different things should (IMHO) have to use the multiclassing rules to do it.
A bard, OTOH (and IMHO), should be of the *entertainer; oral historian; inspring companions to feats of greatness; satiring enemies; delivering curses, blessings, geasae, and other magical effects (not spells) with his songs* type of character.
Novice (Lvl 1)
A warrior, a lover, a poet, a gadfly who defies the gods. A psychopomp.
A skald. A weaver of mighty magics, who can calm a raging sea, cause trees to bear fruit or bring down lightning from the heavens with his voice.
Orpheus, Vainamoinen, Taliesin, Finrod Felagund...now THEY were bards.
None of this namby-pamby, wishy-washy high mediaeval minstrel-rogue rubbish.
Bards should be Prestige Classes with nigh-impossible entry requirements.
Waghalter (Lvl 7)
Bards aren't powerful enough to match celtic mythology. The 1E bard was a much better representation of the power and respect that legendary bards demand than the 3E one, which is, IMO, a poorly thought-out exercise in designer fiat.
Perhaps the Bards Tale CRPG bards are a good model for 4E - make Bards the buffing class with their spellsongs, make that their role, and dispose of the jack-of-all-trades idea.
Songs which regenerate companions, make their weapons keen, enhance their ability scores etc. (Yes, those few ideas are combat oriented, but that's an important part of all the D&D classes.)
Last edited by rounser; Friday, 15th March, 2002 at 02:28 AM.
had to do it ...
I think bards are fine as is, some people like 'em some don't. I like the idea of more special songs or spells with vocal only components though.
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