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Adventurer
It's not a cop out at all, it's a design decision the designers made. It is quite clear what a DM is and does when it is described in the Introduction section.
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D&D 5E Any further clarification to Hiding in Player's Handbook?
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It's not a cop out at all, it's a design decision the designers made. It is quite clear what a DM is and does when it is described in the Introduction section.
Psikerlord#
Explorer
Which intro? Theres nothinglike that in the basic rules, alas.
Juriel
First Post
You cannot say bad rules are intentional, just because there's a 'do what thou wilt' clause.
When there's multiple rules segments that try to cover stealth (and fail), rather than a single section saying 'roll Stealth, or maybe not, ask your GM', they obviously wanted to offer you a codified framework. They just did it badly.
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Adventurer
I don't consider them bad rules at all. So simply because it is your opinion that they are bad rules, doesn't make it so.
Psikerlord#
Explorer
Hmm I understand mearls tweeted trying to hide mid combat while foes are watching ought to be done at disad. That probably solves a lot of the peekaboo problems for me, since it wont work most of the time, players wont try it much and i wont have to worry about it. Combine that ruling with substituting the lightfoot halfling ability with the woodelf one, and it might just all work out 
Iosue
Legend
Right, the goblins' stealth first has to beat the scout's Passive Perception. If they do, then the scout rolls active perception to search. Passive perception is an absolute floor. Actively searching doesn't negate it.
Charles Rampant
Explorer
That doesn't match my understanding: you either take the passive, when you are not specifically looking, or you actively look and so you roll the dice and take the result. My reasoning is that the rules specify Passive wisdom as something used instead of rolling the dice, and because the purpose of the dice is to add the possibility of surprising and strange results. If everybody had a perception roll 'floor' of 10, then there is absolutely no interest to the roll in many cases.
The reason there is an effective floor is because the goblin isn't considered hidden unless its Stealth roll beats your Passive Perception.
Cheers!
Juriel
First Post
No, but multiple people keeping asking about how the stealth system works does make it so.
If they were good, they would be clear, and there would be much less clarifying needed.
Psikerlord#
Explorer
If youre trying to hide mid combat, there is no passive perception, its a contest instead, stealth vs perception
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