What happens to the "suboptimal?"
Suboptimal?
What, me worry?
What, me worry?
smbakeresq
Explorer
Sounds great to me. You are an adventurer, you are doomed to die anyway. If you make it out alive then you are fated to live forever in tales of glory.
Maybe your hobgoblin was another soul reborn into a hobgoblin body to repent for some past transgression. Or maybe the Angel Patron touched a hobgoblin soul at birth so when you grow great you can be the bridge between hobgoblins and something else.
smbakeresq
Explorer
As far as suboptimal, I have stated that using defined arrays or point buy ENCOURAGES min/max, making the problem worse. Rolling for stats will give you more variety
smbakeresq
Explorer
As far as suboptimal, I have stated that using defined arrays or point buy ENCOURAGES min/max, making the problem worse. Rolling for stats will give you more variety
Ancalagon
Dusty Dragon
I urge you to use the [MENTION=6777696]redrick[/MENTION] roller: http://aramis.hostman.us/dnd/RedrickRoller.html
Ancalagon
Dusty Dragon
I think that is touching on perhaps the crux of the issue: party disparity. It doesn't really matter per se if the party is super powerful or weak: the GM can always put stronger/weaker monsters.
What can cause an issue is when some party members are very strong and others are badly built.
Warpiglet
Adventurer
I think you are right---it is really about everyone getting to be a factor in the party. Being so fragile you fall in every other battle is also no fun. However, I want to test the limits and just start playing even more freely...maybe using feats or ASIs a little more frivolously if it makes me more immersed.
BookBarbarian
Expert Long Rester
Since I almost always want to play someone equally good with Longsword and Longbow, plus wilderness related skills, and grappling, I end up playing a lot of sub-optimal characters.
I'll shoot for 14s in Str, Dex, Con, Int, and Wis, and never raise them higher. I'll just taking feats I find generally helpful like Prodigy, Lucky, Mobile, Observant, or Tough. Or ones that I find interesting like Tavern Brawler.
I find it's actually pretty hard to make a character that can't contribute to the party.
There are so many good spells that don't need a high casting stat.
Heck I've even found that Barbarians with 14 strength Recklessly Attacking still hit frequently. And that standing in choke points and taking the dodge action is surprisingly good even if you don't have the worlds highest AC.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'll shoot for as many 14s as possible with Point buy.
It's tougher with the standard array however.
I'll shoot for 14s in Str, Dex, Con, Int, and Wis, and never raise them higher. I'll just taking feats I find generally helpful like Prodigy, Lucky, Mobile, Observant, or Tough. Or ones that I find interesting like Tavern Brawler.
I find it's actually pretty hard to make a character that can't contribute to the party.
There are so many good spells that don't need a high casting stat.
Heck I've even found that Barbarians with 14 strength Recklessly Attacking still hit frequently. And that standing in choke points and taking the dodge action is surprisingly good even if you don't have the worlds highest AC.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'll shoot for as many 14s as possible with Point buy.
It's tougher with the standard array however.
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