Invisible Blade Requirements = ??

Coredump · Feb 29, 2004

I was checking out the Complete Warrior and came upon the Invisible Blade. Since I am currently running a dual dagger weilding halfling rogue, it was perfect.

The class abilities deal with feinting, and ease of feinting, and sneak attack damage and feats. All melee based. All requiring use of the dagger or Kukri, or punching dagger.

Looking at the requirements you need a) beat someone with only a dagger (etc.), b) bluff and sense motive ranks c) weapon focus (dagger/kukri/Pdagger). These all seem to make sense and follow the idea of the class. *BUT* the also require point blank shot and Far Shot. WTF??

The Kukri and Pdagger are not even throwing weapons. Now, I can understand requiring 'entrance feats'; but they should make *some* sense. Maybe dodge, or even the feat that gives you a bluff bonus. Or skill focus bluff or sense motive. But two range feats??

Does anyone have a logical explanation for this?

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Scion · Feb 29, 2004

I can see point blank shot (as any melee weapon is throwable with a 10' range increment in 3.5).. sortof.. but far shot is very odd. maybe they meant twf instead of farshot? The picture in the book does show a guy weilding two daggers after all

my logical explanation? they typoed twf into farshot somehow

Kae'Yoss · Feb 29, 2004

It's not only about melee, but only about fighting with daggers, kukri, and punching daggers. This includes flicking the occasional dagger at an enemy

Saeviomagy · Mar 1, 2004

KaeYoss said:
It's not only about melee, but only about fighting with daggers, kukri, and punching daggers. This includes flicking the occasional dagger at an enemy

IIRC, then the author of the feat has said in many threads that originally the class covered dagger combat in all forms (including ranged).

For CW, the class was stripped from 10 to 5 levels, and the ranged benefits removed, however the prerequisites were left in.

I believe that he suggested ignoring the ranged combat prereqs, although he may have advocated swapping them for something else.

Shadeus · Mar 1, 2004

Hmm...5 level Invisible blade class....5 level Master Thrower class. It sounds like Saeviomagy is right and the one class became two.

DrSpunj · Mar 1, 2004

Saeviomagy said:
IIRC, then the author of the feat has said in many threads that originally the class covered dagger combat in all forms (including ranged).

I believe the original author is sonofapreacherman on these boards. His website, the Waking Lands, has his version of the Invisible Blade PrC here, if you're interested. I'm not sure if that's the original version he submitted to WotC or not.

HTH.

DrSpunj

Coredump · Mar 1, 2004

Well, that sort of makes sense...and yet doesn't. I like SoPM's original version. But it wanted PBS, Finesse, focus. So WoTC decided to take out finesse, and put in far shot. That makes absolutely no sense.

I will see if I can get my DM to waive/alter those requirements. Or maybe I will go for the 10 level version. hmmm...

RingXero · Mar 1, 2004

sonofapreacherman said:
I just posted this explanation in another thread, but I thought it might be better served here, as per the title of this thread.

The 5-level invisible blade that first appeared in Dragon (and then recently in The Complete Warrior) was edited down from my original 10-level progression. The abilities and text are the same, but there were some additional dagger throwing abilities built into the prestige class (to round it out).

The editors at Dragon had asked me to change the invisible blade prerequisites to reflect their ranged-based abilities, but when they later changed the invisible blade into a 5-level prestige class (and removed the dagger throwing abilities), they likely forgot to change the prerequisites as well.

To use the printed version of the invisible blade as is, simply change the prerequisites feats to:

Weapon Focus (dagger, kukri, or punching dagger) and Weapon Finesse.

I hope that helps.

I keep this quote handy, originally posted on WOTC's boards, then posted here.

RX

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