Thank-you, Gentlemen of the Jury (says the Pedophile-Killing Paladin)

Vindicator

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While reading through the various threads relating to my paladin's beheading of the child molester, I was reminded of the superb play TWELVE ANGRY MEN. ;) The discussion and debate you guys came up with well exceeded even that of the men in the play. For your time, effort, and insights, I thank you.

One reason I have loved D&D (and RPGs in general) for over 20 years is that it raises such profound questions and deals with such important issues. Even things like the nature of the gods, the existence of the planes, the distinctions between alignment...these things touch on eternal truths and I am blessed to have such a mind-expanding and ultimately soul-enriching hobby. Perhaps "passion" is a better word. :cool:

My DM and I read through everything; the poll results, the various threads, culminating in the jury thread. The verdict of "not guilty", needless to say, provoked much cheering from my companions.

It may interest you to know that we incorporated this enworld discussion into our campaign. In our campaign my paladin (BTW, I am Vindicator, but my paladin is my character. So to all of you saying, "Vindicator, you shouldn't have cut the dude's head off!" I merely shrug and say, "It was my character, dude!" :D ) was arrested for the murder of the child molester and put on trial for his life. We took all of your arguments and ultimately your jury thread and transferred them over to the game.

My paladin has been required by his god (a home-brewed god, BTW; a very war-like and "honor first" kind of god ;) ) to embark on a quest of atonement, but he will not lose his paladinhood nor any of his paladin abilities. Everybody wins. :p

The real winner, in my opinion, is everybody who was fortunate enough to read the intelligent and thought-provoking discussions over this issue. This is one reason I appreciate enworld so much, and will continue to.

Thanks again to everyone who responded. And my DM assures me, this is the first and last time he will *ever* allow a player to challenge his ruling. :D

Vindicator out
 

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I am very glad to have been of service.

I would be very interested in hearing your and your GM's reflections on some of the points raised in the debate. Something pointed out by one of the other posters changed my mind and reversed my vote (and therefore saved your butt), and I would be very interested in knowing which of the general issues discussed was telling to you who were au fait with the particular details of the case. Is your character of a different mind now that he has listened to critical points of view?

But I would understand if you didn't want to get sucked in to an argument. I really feel that I ought to go and play tug-of-war with my dog, as being more decisive and productive!
 
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Vindicator said:
Thanks again to everyone who responded. And my DM assures me, this is the first and last time he will *ever* allow a player to challenge his ruling. :D

Never say never. And the GM who listens [see PS2] to her players is a GM whose players are happy.

Regards,
Ruemere

PS1. Congratulations!

PS2. Listen != Agree, but Listening => Understanding :)
 
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Vindicator said:
While reading through the various threads relating to my paladin's beheading of the child molester, I was reminded of the superb play TWELVE ANGRY MEN. ;) The discussion and debate you guys came up with well exceeded even that of the men in the play. For your time, effort, and insights, I thank you.

One reason I have loved D&D (and RPGs in general) for over 20 years is that it raises such profound questions and deals with such important issues. Even things like the nature of the gods, the existence of the planes, the distinctions between alignment...these things touch on eternal truths and I am blessed to have such a mind-expanding and ultimately soul-enriching hobby. Perhaps "passion" is a better word. :cool:

My DM and I read through everything; the poll results, the various threads, culminating in the jury thread. The verdict of "not guilty", needless to say, provoked much cheering from my companions.

It may interest you to know that we incorporated this enworld discussion into our campaign. In our campaign my paladin (BTW, I am Vindicator, but my paladin is my character. So to all of you saying, "Vindicator, you shouldn't have cut the dude's head off!" I merely shrug and say, "It was my character, dude!" :D ) was arrested for the murder of the child molester and put on trial for his life. We took all of your arguments and ultimately your jury thread and transferred them over to the game.

My paladin has been required by his god (a home-brewed god, BTW; a very war-like and "honor first" kind of god ;) ) to embark on a quest of atonement, but he will not lose his paladinhood nor any of his paladin abilities. Everybody wins. :p

The real winner, in my opinion, is everybody who was fortunate enough to read the intelligent and thought-provoking discussions over this issue. This is one reason I appreciate enworld so much, and will continue to.

Thanks again to everyone who responded. And my DM assures me, this is the first and last time he will *ever* allow a player to challenge his ruling. :D

Vindicator out

Greetings ALL. Please pardon my exit,as I communed with Him who Guides my Hand.

Vindicator, I am heartened by the decision of the Jury and I am please to know that u found our deliberations of some value. I would be stating the obvious if I said D&D has made a significant difference in my life and in the lives of those I have DMed over th years. Passion would be an Apt word to describe how most of us feel about this game. Kudos to Torm for getting the ball rolling.
 

ruemere said:
Never say never. And the GM who listens [see PS2] to her players is a GM whose players are happy.

Regards,
Ruemere

PS1. Congratulations!

PS2. Listen != Agree, but Listening => Understanding :)

If I may refine your point: A DM who considers the views, not necessarily listen and abide, of his players will have a happy team, coz it will seem less dictatorial.
 

Vindicator said:
My paladin has been required by his god (a home-brewed god, BTW; a very war-like and "honor first" kind of god ;) ) to embark on a quest of atonement, but he will not lose his paladinhood nor any of his paladin abilities. Everybody wins.

That sounds exactly right. Good judgement. :)

Bye
Thanee
 

Vindicator said:
My paladin has been required by his god (a home-brewed god, BTW; a very war-like and "honor first" kind of god ;) )

I am curious - you're playing in the Realms, but with a home-brewed god that has Paladins. I would like to hear more of this good deity, please. I would hate to run across him or his and not know how to deal with them, especially if they would be allies.

- Torm the True
 

Glad everything worked out for everyone's enjoyment.

... and Torm.....

I'm having a bit of a problem taking you seriously. You may want to ditch the Oven Mitt Icon....

:D

joe b.
 
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