Maze spell: do you allow it?

[stonegod]

We used Maze to great effect in Savage Tide by mazing Andregost (the big three-headed BBEG of DOOM). Then someone cast dimension lock where the maze occurred. Had a lot of fun discussing what should happen as the maze effect would have to pierce dimension to get big A back, but dim lock prevented that. The DM grinned and then said Big A never reappeared... there, that is.

Turned out, he appeared on the material plane, in Elminster's bedroom. AFter rampaging a bit, the sage dropped him off in front of my wizard after dim locking the area. Bastard.

Footnote: This wasn't the first time my character randomly teleported something bad into FR. I'll tell you about the vrock with a savage pearl in Waterdeep...

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

And what exactly does it do against them?

It completely hoses them.

Lanchester's Square Law is no minor thing, and removing a BBEG from the safety of his minions so that you can dogpile him later (yes, even if just a round later...) is a Big Deal.

That said-- there's other ways to majorly hose a BBEG with 8th level spells (and lower).

 

[Nifft]

It completely hoses them.

Lanchester's Square Law is no minor thing, and removing a BBEG from the safety of his minions so that you can dogpile him later (yes, even if just a round later...) is a Big Deal.

That said-- there's other ways to majorly hose a BBEG with 8th level spells (and lower).

8th level spells ought to be a Big Deal. If they're not, why bother having them in the game?

That said, this effect isn't a new thing at all -- from entangle to wall of ice to resilient sphere, opposition-splitting effects have been around for many, many levels before 8th.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Thanee]

It completely hoses them.

Lanchester's Square Law is no minor thing, and removing a BBEG from the safety of his minions so that you can dogpile him later (yes, even if just a round later...) is a Big Deal.

Sure, it's a useful effect (it should be!), but that it "completely hoses" them is a bit much said...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

It completely hoses them.

Lanchester's Square Law is no minor thing, and removing a BBEG from the safety of his minions so that you can dogpile him later (yes, even if just a round later...) is a Big Deal.

That said-- there's other ways to majorly hose a BBEG with 8th level spells (and lower).

8th level spells ought to be a Big Deal. If they're not, why bother having them in the game?

That said, this effect isn't a new thing at all -- from entangle to wall of ice to resilient sphere, opposition-splitting effects have been around for many, many levels before 8th.

Good to know we're apparently on exactly the same page.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Any spell in which the DM is FORCED to change their encounters to fit the new, expansive powers, something isn't right.

Boo friggin' hoo.

 

[Nifft]

Good to know we're apparently on exactly the same page.

If the page we're on is: it's as good as certain 1st through 4th level spells, then sure.

But that seems rather different from "completely hoses".

Cheers, -- N

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

If the page we're on is: it's as good as certain 1st through 4th level spells, then sure.

But that seems rather different from "completely hoses".

Cheers, -- N

Hideous laughter has completely hosed many a low-level BBEG.

 

[Nifft]

Hideous laughter has completely hosed many a low-level BBEG.

Cool, we are on the same page.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Cool, we are on the same page.

Cheers, -- N

Yes, but I am curious what your 1st level hoser is. Sleep?

I don't really count entangle, as it equally hoses the party.

(I was looking at my 1e books over the weekend, and marvelling that the 1e levitate could be used on an unwilling target. Ogre with greatclub, you wait up there for a while until we are done with these goblins... I actually kinda like it. Why should hideous laughter be the only hoser? Why indeed have only one hoser per spell level?)