Converting Al-Qadim creatures

[Shade]

Fair enough. 1d6 damage?

 

[freyar]

That sounds right.

 

[demiurge1138]

Yeah.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

Skills: 6
Listen and Spot seem appropriate. Should we give them a +8 racial bonus on Spot checks like most birds of prey?

Feats: Improved Overrun (B), 2 more
Most birds of prey have Alertness. Dire eagles and giant eagles also have Flyby Attack, while giant owls have Wingover.

 

[freyar]

You know, maybe Rend Fallen should say something like


Rend Fallen (Ex): An elephant bird automatically deals an additional 1d6 points of damage to a prone foe that it attacks successfully.

Just to be clear.

Listen, Spot at 3 ranks each sounds good.

Flyby Attack to divebomb with the rocks.

 

[Shade]

I fancied it a bit more like savage, though...

Savage (Ex): If a brachyurus successfully trips an opponent, it latches onto the opponent's body and tears the flesh. This automatically deals an additional 15d6+25 points of damage. If an opponent goes prone for any reason (perhaps as the subject of another brachyurus's Improved Trip attack) in an area the brachyurus threatens, the brachyurus can also savage the victim as a free action (treat as the brachyurus's attack of opportunity for the round), even though it had nothing to do with tripping the foe.

So maybe add the provision for anything in its threatened area?

 

[freyar]

That's fine. I just think it's a little ambiguous as it is.

 

[demiurge1138]

Flyby Attack seems the perfect feat to me. Giving them Listen, Spot, and a big racial bonus to Spot checks in daylight seems fair.

 

[Cleon]

Fair enough. 1d6 damage?

I'd have no great objection to that. It is a good deal simpler. Although I'll point out that would potentially allow an elephant bird to do significantly more damage than my Rend Fallen proposal.

If it full attacks the elephant bird would do 2d6+3 beak and 1d4+1d6+1 + 1d4+1d6+1 with 2 claws plus a potential 2d6+3 attack of opportunity, my Rend Fallen would do a 1d6+3 beak and 1d4+1 + 1d4+1 claws plus a Rend Fallen 1d6+3, which counts as its AoO.

That's a full-attacking 4d6+2d4+5 or 6d6+2d4+8 with the "bonus 1d6 damage" scheme, versus 2d6+2d4+8 with the "AoO rending" scheme.

 

[Cleon]

Flyby Attack seems the perfect feat to me. Giving them Listen, Spot, and a big racial bonus to Spot checks in daylight seems fair.

Sounds fine.

So we're talking Alertness and Flyby Attack, 3 points in Listen and Spot, +4 racial on Spot (+8 in daylight)?