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Planescape Do You Care About Planescape Lore?

Do You Care about Planescape Lore?


Oryan77

Adventurer
I haven't read a lot of Planescape books, but the cant drives me crazy. I remember one Planescape splat (IIRC it was a Planes of Chaos) that used the cant throughout the text, including in the rules and DM information. It's one thing to have a sidebar or whatever with some NPC talking in character. It's another thing to have to parse through a bunch of "bonebox" "deadbook" and "berk" to get tot he part of the text you'll use in play.
That was the entire point/style of the PS line. Like Piratecat, I found reading Planescape "rules" a hell of a lot more fun and entertaining than slogging through the mind-numbing dribble in all of my 2e & 3.5 rulebooks. I found it really cool when I'm reading a monster's ecology and I'm being told about the creature first hand by a Planewalker or Greybeard. It's extremely boring to read my 3.5 monster manual entries. But that's just what I found entertaining. I learn better in a classroom when the teacher is energetic & has the gift of gab than I do when the teacher is just giving a scripted lecture.

I wonder if the use of cant bothers people because they are not familiar with the word and are unsure of its meaning? I can see that dislike if you have to look up the word to figure out what the hell the author is saying. I know the meanings, so it is no less annoying to me than when I'm reading the forums and people are saying, "cool, awesome, dude, dork, nerd, geek, she's hot, or rad"....rad....why don't people say rad anymore?
 
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Oryan77

Adventurer
PLayer: "Nope, it's D&D, and Planescape is D&D, and everywhere, Kender Samurai, NOW!"

I got tired of dealing with that in my own PS game. So I made a "Planar PC Races" pdf consisting of the races & stats that I allow players to use in my campaign.

It helped out a lot for the most part. But I still occasionally had annoying players still ask me to allow some other random race (some D&D races, and once a WoW race). I guess 41 different races just isn't enough to choose from for some people.
 

Siberys

Adventurer
[MENTION=6722817]Weather Report[/MENTION]

To be fair, I've had a player like that. :/ Specifically, he wanted to be a Githzerai Xaositect in a prime-only Eberron war campaign. When that didn't fly, he wanted one of his character goals to be "Get to Sigil", despite that I told him it didn't exist in my proposed game and, even if it did, his PC'd have no way to know about it. That's the problem with using PSish lore or Spelljammer stuff (or PoLand too, yes) in the mainline core stuff - it sets up expectations in a small but vocal subset of the player base.

Meta-settings are fine, if not to my taste, but don't let them bleed into core, so people who don't like meta-settings don't need to deal with 'em.

Returning to the Dark Sun examples, why did any Dark Sun stuff have to mention crystal spheres, or planes beyond Elemental planes, the Gray, and the Black? Spelljammer and Planescape, respectively, could've handled all of that, keeping it contained to the meta-settings.
 

Weather Report

Banned
Banned
I wonder if the use of cant bothers people because they are not familiar with the word and are unsure of its meaning? I can see that dislike if you have to look up the word to figure out what the hell the author is saying. I know the meanings, so it is no less annoying to me than when I'm reading the forums and people are saying, "cool, awesome, dude, dork, nerd, geek, she's hot, or rad"....rad....why don't people say rad anymore?


Ha, exactly, I was born in London (UK), grew up mostly in LA/Maui, now live back in London (UK), and I use Rad (my LA buddies still use this one consistently, and I am bringing back "Foxy"), Prat, Doofus, Sod, Dude, Goober, Wanker, Awesome, Berk, Spaz, Slapper, etc, all the delicious colloquialisms, love to mix them up.
 


Cyberen

First Post
Do you feel obliged to get rude with people saying they don't want meta in the core of D&D.
You must think you sound smart, but you most definitely don't imho.
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
To be fair, I've had a player like that. :/ Specifically, he wanted to be a Githzerai Xaositect in a prime-only Eberron war campaign. When that didn't fly, he wanted one of his character goals to be "Get to Sigil", despite that I told him it didn't exist in my proposed game and, even if it did, his PC'd have no way to know about it. That's the problem with using PSish lore or Spelljammer stuff (or PoLand too, yes) in the mainline core stuff - it sets up expectations in a small but vocal subset of the player base.

As Weather Report said, that's a problem player, not a problem with the setting. That "small but vocal" subset you mentioned are the players who have problems with their expectations not being catered to. Removing cross-setting continuity isn't going to make those people go away, it just means they'll be irritating in another regard.

Returning to the Dark Sun examples, why did any Dark Sun stuff have to mention crystal spheres, or planes beyond Elemental planes, the Gray, and the Black? Spelljammer and Planescape, respectively, could've handled all of that, keeping it contained to the meta-settings.

Presumably because the Dark Sun fans who want to add a dash of planar material to their DS campaign shouldn't have to look through/purchase another setting's products to get their own setting's cosmological information? As it is, we're not talking about a huge swath of material here; notwithstanding planar Dark Sun adventures like Black Spine, the material I was referencing were two sidebars in one book, and maybe another one in Dragon Kings. That's hardly enough to wreck anyone's game.

EDIT: As it is, Dark Sun is a pretty good example of how you can have your cake and eat it too, where your suggestion is concerned.

Spelljammer's Complete Spacefarer's Handbook gives a paragraph on Athas from that setting's point of view, and that's it. Planescape's Planewalker's Handbook has one paragraph about Athas from that setting's point of view, and that's it. Dark Sun's Defilers & Preservers has two sidebars on planar travel and spelljamming, and that's it. Everybody wins.

True, there were some other crossovers, but they tended to be limited to specific NPCs, items, and similar things. The general "rules" about how such things worked (or didn't work, where spelljamming was concerned) were very small and unobstrusive.
 
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Weather Report

Banned
Banned
Do you feel obliged to get rude with people saying they don't want meta in the core of D&D.
You must think you sound smart, but you most definitely don't imho.

How is calling out problem players rude?

You are the one who is being rude and getting personal (defensive...?), sad really - next.
 

Cyberen

First Post
Please stop trying to read my mind, or the mind of anyone who dares to disagree with your views. I don't think [MENTION=22779]Hussar[/MENTION] gave you the licence to be his shrink, and I most certainly haven't.
 

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