List of monsters confirmed in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes

Remathilis

Legend
It looks like we're getting some reprinted monsters from the AP line; EE, OOtA, and TotYP all have at least one reprinted monster or more.
 

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Elderbrain

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I was just having a little fun. I'm just old school. I grew up reading the 1e MM and MM2 and 2e never caught on with me. I could never get used to the Baatezu and Tanar'ri.

Oh, sure. And I am aware that the name change was mostly due to the bad press D&D was getting at the time, with the idea that parents who read a D&D book wouldn't see the words "demon" and "devil", and thus wouldn't get upset, even though it's the same critters with new names. I wonder if the names "Baatezu" and "Tanar'ri" will occur in MTOF? Would also be nice if they mentioned "Daemons" as another name for Yugoloths...)
 

Oh, sure. And I am aware that the name change was mostly due to the bad press D&D was getting at the time, with the idea that parents who read a D&D book wouldn't see the words "demon" and "devil", and thus wouldn't get upset, even though it's the same critters with new names. I wonder if the names "Baatezu" and "Tanar'ri" will occur in MTOF? Would also be nice if they mentioned "Daemons" as another name for Yugoloths...)

Daemon and Demon are pronounced exactly the same, there's a reason why they avoid that. And while technically the word Daemon from its original Greek meaning is the word for spirit and was a traditionally neutral term with the words Cacodaemon and Agathodaemon/Eudaemon to distinguish Evil Spirit and Good Spirit from each other. Cacodaemon was tied to a particular spell older versions of D&D and not any sort of creature. I don't think they're ready to call Angels or Celestials, Eudaemons either.
 


dave2008

Legend
Oh, sure. And I am aware that the name change was mostly due to the bad press D&D was getting at the time, with the idea that parents who read a D&D book wouldn't see the words "demon" and "devil", and thus wouldn't get upset, even though it's the same critters with new names. I wonder if the names "Baatezu" and "Tanar'ri" will occur in MTOF? Would also be nice if they mentioned "Daemons" as another name for Yugoloths...)

4e called them demons and devils, but also mentioned they are also referred to as tanar'ri and baatezu. I can't recall if this was in the 5e MM or not
 

Daemon and Demon are pronounced exactly the same, there's a reason why they avoid that.

The pronunciation depends on where you're at. I definitely pronounce those differently. But they are basically the same word, 'demon' just went through an extra step or two in its journey from Greek to English.

It still like having D&D sages use the terms to refer to different creatures though. It's just fun.
 

Maybe it's simply because the "D" section of the Monster Manual was too stuffed?!

Yogoloths (as Daemons) originally appeared in the Fiend Folio, so the didn't have to share space with Demons and Devils. There where still up against dragons though - the Fiend Folio listed Oriental Dragons - whatever happened to them?
 


dave2008

Legend
Weird, I usually thought that "daemon" was a mix between the words "devil" and "demon", and its "dae-" was pronounced just like the "de-" in "devil".

I remember reading somewhere (many years ago) that daemon was pronounced: "die" "moan." But when I looked it up yesterday, pretty much every source agreed that they are pronounced the same. Either times have changed or the internet has changed the times.
 
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Elderbrain

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Mike Mearls stated in Sage Advice that there are no Archfey in the book - somebody asked him about it.
 

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