D&D and the rising pandemic

[Deset Gled]

Belief is not a measurement. Hope is not a strategy.

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Ergo, hoping or planning for herd immunity not generated by a vaccine is not wise at this time.

In general, I agree with your logic. OTOH, hypotheses and hope are both important things to have.

I'm kind of glad that somebody is trying for herd immunity and testing if it works. IMNSHO, Sweden is basically taking one for the team here and performing a large scale experiment (admittedly, with a dangerously big sample size). At least they're getting data. I'd rather be a part of Sweden's plan (where they at lease have health care) than, let's say, West Virginia's... but I'm happier to be in neither.

 

[Eltab]

Citations, please? Not questioning your honor or anything, but when stuff like this comes around, folks want to look at the thing.

Re: "citations" Are you thinking peer-reviewed articles in a professional journal? That's more formality than we've had time to go through. What I have is news articles. (No links because my web-fu is poor and my mobile device will not cut-and-paste.) Headlines:

• Coronavirus with no symptoms? Reports suggest many have unknowingly had virus. By Michelle Farber, the Associated Press
• One third of participants in Massachusetts study tested positive for antibodies linked to Coronavirus. By Peter Farber, Fox News

The second article was published earlier. The first compiles additional articles (including the CA findings) and appears to contain information from follow-up interviews. I was not able to find the article on the CA survey which drew my attention.

 

[Umbran]

Re: "citations" Are you thinking peer-reviewed articles in a professional journal?

I think reputable news sources are sufficient. There is so much misinformation out there that we really should more actively help each other have more than internet rumors on hand.

 

[Istbor]

Plenty of independent medical professionals online provide opposing views if you are able to find them given youtube's new policy of stifling opposing views. One should also not forget the moratorium on medical professionals working at government hospitals from speeking publically - failure to abide could cost them their jobs.

Site these please. As well, I am referring specifically to the current protesters out there gathering up. If you can provide evidence that these groups are consistently made of or backed by relevant medical professionals I am all ears.

 

[Deset Gled]

Site these please. As well, I am referring specifically to the current protesters out there gathering up. If you can provide evidence that these groups are consistently made of or backed by relevant medical professionals I am all ears.

I'm guessing you missed it, but Sadras has been dis-invited from posting in this thread, largely as a result of similar unsubstantiated posts. S/He won't be responding unless you PM them.

 

[ad_hoc]

In general, I agree with your logic. OTOH, hypotheses and hope are both important things to have.

I'm kind of glad that somebody is trying for herd immunity and testing if it works. IMNSHO, Sweden is basically taking one for the team here and performing a large scale experiment (admittedly, with a dangerously big sample size). At least they're getting data. I'd rather be a part of Sweden's plan (where they at lease have health care) than, let's say, West Virginia's... but I'm happier to be in neither.

Sweden now has 1600 cases per million population and 200 deaths per million.

Much higher than Norway or Finland.

In absolute numbers Sweden currently has 1937 deaths compared to Norway's 187 and Finland's 149.

Close to 200 people are currently dying every day.

They made the wrong choice and they should have known better.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

also, as I read a credible article but can't re-find it, there are zero vaccines for coronaviruses. It's never been done.

I think I mentioned something align those lines. They believe they were close with SARS, but the disease disappeared, there were several lab accidents and funding dried up before anything concrete developed.

And as I recall, MERS disappeared even faster, but research is ongoing.

 

[Nagol]

I think I mentioned something align those lines. They believe they were close with SARS, but the disease disappeared, there were several lab accidents and funding dried up before anything concrete developed.

And as I recall, MERS disappeared even faster, but research is ongoing.

MERS hasn't vanished. It's just modestly hard to catch and a primary carrier is camels which tend not to be in day-to-day life in North America..

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Citations, please? Not questioning your honor or anything, but when stuff like this comes around, folks want to look at the thing.

They were talking about a Stanford study producing those numbers in this LA Times article.

Hundreds of thousands in L.A. County may have been infected with coronavirus, study finds

Hundreds of thousands of L.A. County residents may have been infected with the coronavirus by early April, outpacing total of known cases, report says.

www.latimes.com

Though the county had reported roughly 1,000 cases in early April, the Stanford researchers estimate the actual number was 48,000 to 81,000.

Related: Covid-19 was killing people in California almost a month before initially believed. Given its incubation period...

California says a person who died February 6 had COVID-19, suggesting the first US coronavirus death happened at least 3 weeks earlier than previously thought

The US recorded its first coronavirus death on February 28, but new data indicates at least one person died of COVID-19 three weeks prior.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[tomBitonti]

Second supermarket trip in 5 weeks. One in one out.

Picked the wrong day. Oh well.

Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, both local markets, are doing that. Only allowing a person in after a person leaves. Very definitely, picking a less busy time is advised, so as to cut down on wait time and on the number of folks inside.
A problem that I noted (and which I found extremely irritating) was the number of people not paying enough attention to the distancing guidelines. One of the few circumstances which was able to raise my ire, which is usually quite hard.
Be Safe, Be Well,
Tom Bitonti