Justice and Rule
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This isn't about reasonableness. It's about listening. There are probably a ton of things out there that I would never consider racist myself, and would be surprised to learn they are. But rather than continue to argue my uninformed opinion, I listen to the people who are affected by it, and that is how we learn.
Yeah, I listened to the Asians React series on L5R and found it somewhat useful in getting a different perspective. It's easy to miss stuff when you don't live it every day.
Is there anything offensive enough for someone to deserve to be deplatformed ever?
I mean, there's plenty. Platforming isn't a right, after all.
This,is the more incorrect thing I have read in this thread.
Context matters. This is such a simple point I can’t believe I have to say it. But a person from a group can use a slur and have it be empowering (reclaim it) or a word can have different meanings depending on time and location (UK as opposed to American, for instance).
I see a lot of demand to listen, but precious little actual discussion.
I mean, this is a really bad-faith take on what they were saying. They're talking about the historical context, and how something being acceptable at the time doesn't negate the fact that it was and still is racist. Talking about term reclamation doesn't really touch on this.
I don't think there is wide consensus. I think there is a lot of disagreement over how much of a problem it is. You can call it wishy washy, but it isn't like OA is some kind of racist manifesto. People are going to have different responses to how the tropes are handled. And again, even among the people who are saying it has problems there is clearly a difference between those labeling problematic, stereotypical and racist.
There's wide enough consensus that even you have conceded the problems with the title. Just because there is disagreement about specifics doesn't mean that we can't form a general consensus that the book is problematic at the least.
"Cancel culture" is a term that's gotten so weaponized I don't think its a useful term; the term is applied when other people do it, ignored when people you agree with do.
The issue is, however, that brigading is absolutely a thing, and it isn't limited to one particular political philosophy or position. And once it gets rolling, it can be enough of a problem that if you're in a position it can get aimed at you, you, again, absolutely have a reason to be concerned because there are too many people out there who, once they decide you're on the wrong side of things, won't show a lot of restraint on what they'll go do. It doesn't take a whole lot of cases of doxing or other harassment before some serious chilling effect sets in.
"Cancel culture" is indeed useless, largely because it's often used when people are simply expressing disapproval with what someone has done. Approval isn't a right, and when you do stupid things people can call you out on that stuff.
Stuff like brigading is generally different, and most often its with more powerful people using their platform to harm people who can't fight back. It's punching down using one's fanbase and clout against someone who lacks it. That's... generally not applicable to what we are talking about.