Vote for this Shadowdancer Variant.

Jimlock · Jun 16, 2011

...Please vote by also taking into account that this PrC is meant to be used

in a game where all official 3.5 supplements/PrCs are allowed.

All advice is welcome!

Hit die: d4

Requirements:
Skills: Move Silently 8 ranks, Hide 10 ranks, Perform (dance) 5 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks.
Spells: Ability to cast at least one arcane spell of 2nd level or higher (3rd level Arcane Caster).
Special:l Sneak attack +3d6 (5th level Rogue).

BAB: Average
Saves: For=Bad, Ref=Good, Wis=Good.
Skill Points at Each Level: 4 + Int modifier

Class skills:
Balance, Bluff, Concentration, Climb, Decipher Script, Diplomacy, Disable Device, Disguise, Escape Artist, Forgery, Gather Information, Hide, Jump, Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (local), Listen, Move Silently, Open Lock, Perform, Search, Sense Motive, Sleight of Hand, Spellcraft, Spot, Swim, Tumble,Use Magic Device, and Use Rope.

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Gain no proficiency with any weapon or armor.

1st: HIPS, +1 level of existing class

2nd: Darkvision, S.A. +1d6

3rd: Shadow illusion, summon shadow, +1 level of existing class

4th: Shadow jump 20ft.

5th: Def. Roll, Unc. Dodge, S.A. +2d6

6th: Shadow jump 40ft. , summon shadow, +1 level of existing class

7th: Slippery Mind, S.A. +3d6

8th: Shadow jump 80ft. , +1 level of existing class

9th: Summon shadow

10th: Shadow jump 160ft. , improved evasion, S.A. +4d6

All class abilities are identical to those of the DMG/SRD Shadowdancer.

Here are the changes in respect to the original Shadowdancer in the DMG.

Requirements: Removed all Feats. Added the +3d6 S.A and the 2nd level spell (5th Rogue / 3rd Wizard). Added Knowledge (arcana): 5 Ranks.

Hit Die: 4 instead of 8

Will Save: Good instead of Bad

Skill Points at Each Level: 4+Int instead of 6+Int

Class Skills: Same + Wizard's Class Skills

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Removed All (Rogue's are enough)

Special Abilities: Same as the DMG Shadowdancer except for the following:

Removed Evasion and Uncanny Dodge at 2nd Lvl.
Sneak Attack:
Added +1d6 S.A. at 2nd,5th,7th and 10th Lvl (once every 2Lvls/3Lvls)
Spells per Day:
+1 level of existing class at 1st,3rd,6th,8th Lvl (once every 2Lvls/3Lvls)

..I Guess the concept was to blend into the Shadowdancer some of the Arcane Trickster

Arcane Trickster: (3rd Rogue / 5th Wizard)
100% Spell Progression, 100% S.A. Progression, BAB: Bad + Misc. Arcane Trickster Special Abilites (Mediocre)

My Shadowdancer: (5th Rogue / 3rd Wizard)
40% Spell Progression, 80% S.A. Progression, BAB: Average + Misc. Shadowdancer Special Abilities (Good)

I don't know if this is of any use or worth mentioning, but according to this,

both the Shadowdancer and the Arcane Trickster are considered as "-1" in this PrC tier system...

Empirate · Jun 16, 2011

What I see is an Arcane Trickster variant, but even more horrible... then I think again and see a viable PrC for an Assassin build. Rogue 6/Assassin 6/This Shadowdancer 8 would be quite viable, or Swordsage instead of Rogue, of course. HP would be kinda low, though!

But what you seem to be aiming for, a blend of primary arcane caster and Rogue, is very weak: you'd lose far too many caster levels to make it worth your while going Wizard or Sorcerer in the first place. Even simple DMG Arcane Trickster is better in that regard.

Jimlock · Jun 16, 2011

Empirate said:
What I see is an Arcane Trickster variant, but even more horrible... then I think again and see a viable PrC for an Assassin build. Rogue 6/Assassin 6/This Shadowdancer 8 would be quite viable, or Swordsage instead of Rogue, of course. HP would be kinda low, though!

But what you seem to be aiming for, a blend of primary arcane caster and Rogue, is very weak: you'd lose far too many caster levels to make it worth your while going Wizard or Sorcerer in the first place. Even simple DMG Arcane Trickster is better in that regard.

Thanx! for taking the time!

Can you please vote?

I'll respond to your post thoroughly later on..

Thanx again!

Empirate · Jun 16, 2011

Did vote!

Jimlock · Jun 16, 2011

Empirate said:
Did vote!

Sorry! My fault. ....that's what happens when you've got multiple pages open :angel:

Uber Dungeon · Jun 16, 2011

here my thoughts. I would make the hit die d6's and increase +1 level of existing spell caster class and sneak attack to every other level. +1 level of existing spell casting class being odds and sneak attack being evens.

I think the standard Shadow dancer in the DMG is under powered anyways. If it wore me though I'd just ad full sneak attack progression as a rogue and call it good :b

xigbar · Jun 16, 2011

A d6, and an extra caster level. Didn't the original Shadow Dancer have Evasion?

kitcik · Jun 16, 2011

Ghalleon said:
here my thoughts. I would make the hit die d6's and increase +1 level of existing spell caster class and sneak attack to every other level. +1 level of existing spell casting class being odds and sneak attack being evens.

I think the standard Shadow dancer in the DMG is under powered anyways. If it wore me though I'd just ad full sneak attack progression as a rogue and call it good :b

I agree with this.

Just take a look at the class abilities and see if any should be toned down as a result of the significant improvement in casting and sneak attacking. I am not that familiar with these class abilities as I have never played the Shadowdancer PrC.

On the other hand, some PrC's give full casting and full BAB, so it is unlikely that this is overpowered. Probably just make those changes above and you are good.

Jimlock · Jun 16, 2011

xigbar said:
A d6, and an extra caster level. Didn't the original Shadow Dancer have Evasion?

Ok now I'm confused...

Since you think the PrC needs some boost... why did you vote "+1"?

Jimlock · Jun 16, 2011

kitcik said:
Just take a look at the class abilities and see if any should be toned down as a result of the significant improvement in casting and sneak attacking.

...well thing is I don't want to lose any of the Shadowdancer class abilities...

Vote for this Shadowdancer Variant.

How balanced is this PrC?

+5 Overpowered. Excuse me, is this a deity-only game?

+4 (Something in between)

+3 (Something in between)

+2 (Something in between)

+1 (Something in between)

0 Balanced

-1 (Something in between)

-2 (Something in between)

-3 (Something in between)

-4 (Something in between)

-5 Underpowered. My poodle is stronger than this PrC!

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