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D&D 5E Pimp Slapping the Wizard!: A little math


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ccooke

Adventurer
Nope. It explicitly replaces one attack.

Hmm. This will make the Battlemaster (or whatever they end up calling it) Fighter really quite powerful - since they can use their abilities to knock people prone as part of another attack (and do more damage, as well).

(The plausibly-real leaked pages that have been linked to on rpg.net make the Battlemaster look extremely interesting, to me. I'll definitely have to try one out at some point, if they turn out to be accurate)
 

Capricia

Banned
Banned
That math is fine, but it doesn't work for a level 20 wizard.

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Level 1, so not only can they cast it 4 times with their level 1 slots, but 4 times with their level 2, and so on. And it lasts the whole round, so it applies to every attack. So if you want to run the number against a level 20 wizard, you should assume AC 21.
 

ccooke

Adventurer
That math is fine, but it doesn't work for a level 20 wizard.

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Level 1, so not only can they cast it 4 times with their level 1 slots, but 4 times with their level 2, and so on. And it lasts the whole round, so it applies to every attack. So if you want to run the number against a level 20 wizard, you should assume AC 21.

Opportunity cost.

If a character of mine ever made a Wizard use up a 2nd level spell slot in order to turn a hit into a miss, I'd smile. The wizard just used up an opportunity to cast Hold Person, Flaming Spehere, etc.

If a Wizard ever used up a 3rd-level slot, I'd celebrate. That's an 8d6 fireball that won't be coming at me.
 
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Nebulous

Legend
I had the same problem. Some research showed that PDFs use two maps, one for displaying the right glyphs and a second one for the logical values they represent (e.g. when you try to copy and paste text). In the normal Basic PDF the logical map is to nonsense, possibly on purpose to prevent copy-pasting the rules, but it also prevents searches for most of the file. Fortunately, the print-friendly PDF was either correctly produced or they just forgot to mangle it, so it's fully searchable.

Why don't they want copy/paste on a freely distributed pdf? I don't know legalese very well.
 

Obryn

Hero
Opportunity cost.

If a character of mine ever made a Wizard use up a 2nd level spell slot in order to turn a hit into a miss, I'd smile. The wizard just used up an opportunity to cast Hold Person, Flaming Spehere, etc.

If a Wizard ever used up a 3rd-level slot, I'd celebrate. That's an 8d6 fireball that won't be coming at me.
The opportunity cost of a 1st level spell to a 20th level wizard is basically nil.

I can't think of a better use for a 1st than Shield, actually.
 

MerricB

Eternal Optimist
Supporter
Why don't they want copy/paste on a freely distributed pdf? I don't know legalese very well.

Actually, it's more a function of the type of font used. I know that when I was creating pdfs with a custom font for work, despite enabling copy/paste, it had some weird character mapping that made it come out as gibberish when you used copy/paste.

It's likely not intentional, just that pdfs do really, really weird things from time to time.

Cheers!
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
Opportunity cost.

If a character of mine ever made a Wizard use up a 2nd level spell slot in order to turn a hit into a miss, I'd smile.

But this isn't just turning a single hit into a miss. This is turning that shove into a miss, and thus denying advantage on each of the subsequent attacks. That might be worth the opportunity cost.
 

Obryn

Hero
But this isn't just turning a single hit into a miss. This is turning that shove into a miss, and thus denying advantage on each of the subsequent attacks. That might be worth the opportunity cost.
Not to mention turning the rest of the attacks into misses, too. +5 to AC for the whole round is huge.
 

But this isn't just turning a single hit into a miss. This is turning that shove into a miss, and thus denying advantage on each of the subsequent attacks. That might be worth the opportunity cost.

Does the shove attack AC, though? As I read it, AC is entirely irrelevant to the shove, thus said Wizard can do that but does it actually do anything?
 

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