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D&D General Another idea for a perfect crime in Dnd, the defendant bribes the jury to ensure their found guilty


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Fanaelialae

Legend
This also assumes that the local lord cares more about doing the right thing than appearing in the right. The judge (or jury) is likely an extension of his power, this being a feudal society. Rather than bringing into question that a representative of his (and by extension, himself) could be wrong/fallible/corruptible, he might simply choose to ignore or cover up the evidence (possibly going so far as to literally shoot the messenger).
 

Voadam

Legend
I've had another idea for a perfect crime in Dnd,. Would it work?

The defendant bribes the jury to ensure their found guilty

His plan is that a few weeks later they'll leak information to the local lord that proves that the jury was bribed to find the defendant guilty, the local lord will assume that the jury would only be bribed to find the defendant guilty if the defendant is actually innocent and he or she pardons the defendant

To the defendants glee his plan works

It would be a risky gambit.

The leak has to be convincing, a condemned criminal saying "the jury was bribed!" might not be so convincing. How the information comes out and who the bribe is pinned on may be an issue.

The local lord has to care. They might think the bribe was by an enemy of the prisoner but that the prisoner is still guilty. If the local lord thinks the prisoner might not be innocent they might investigate, find out the prisoner is in fact guilty, and not pardon them. They might think someone is an enemy of the defendant, and not care so they don't get involved further.

It is a possible thing, but would depend a lot on the local lord.
 

Voadam

Legend
Juries and trials can easily be a D&D thing. There is a Pathfinder 1e adventure called Trial of the Beast, it is the 2nd module of the Carrion Crown adventure where a big part of the adventure is gathering evidence for a trial and arguing at the trial. I think it is before a three judge panel though and not a jury.

Jury trials have a long history with disputed origins. In a fantasy setting whether juries are a thing or not is usually a decision for an individual DM with few published settings getting down to that level of detail.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Supporter
I've had another idea for a perfect crime in Dnd,. Would it work?

In D&D? In and of itself, not reliably. You have several other hurdles to pass before bribing a jury becomes relevant.

The second level spells Zone of Truth and Detect Thoughts have heavy implications for criminal justice systems.
 

JMISBEST

Explorer
Why doesn't he just bribe the jury to ensure that he is found not guilty?
Because theirs a risk that people will find out but by bribing them to find him guilty then making sure that people will eventually acquire proof that they were bribed to find him guilty everyone will assume he's innocent and he will receive a full pardon
 

greg kaye

Explorer
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The defendant bribes the jury to ensure their found guilty
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There are potentially a lot of variables.
On what allegations?
On what evidence?
What happened in the time between the crime and the charges being made?

It's also complicated that the jury could be in trouble for taking bribes.
The bribing may be investigated and, at best, an inquiry may be made into who a different briber might have been. A lot of questions may be asked about your character and their circumstances and I'm not sure that would be desirable.

Also, keep in mind that many judiciaries would consider it a crime to waste their time.
 

It will be not so easy if there is a cleric with domain Justice in the trial, maybe the judge herself.

And being a sinner is not so easy when you have watched divine by a cleric who preachs the eternal punishment for criminals in the afterlife.

If magic is too expensive, then an assasin to be hired. But take care or the family of your victim could hire other assasin to avenge.

If there is a good trick for a murder and other may have done before you.

The target is marketed with a special magic rune. Then a planar creature will be summoned to attack the person with that runic mark.

The perfert crime in D&D would be something like this:

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mamba

Legend
Because theirs a risk that people will find out but by bribing them to find him guilty then making sure that people will eventually acquire proof that they were bribed to find him guilty everyone will assume he's innocent and he will receive a full pardon
I have trouble with the jump from ‘your jury was bribed to find you guilty’ to ‘therefore you must be innocent’ bit.

The jury being bribed in either direction is independent of your guilt. You can be innocent and believe this is the best way to ensure that outcome given a less than stellar justice system. You can be guilty and one of your victims wants to ensure the right outcome for the same reason.
 

JMISBEST

Explorer
I have trouble with the jump from ‘your jury was bribed to find you guilty’ to ‘therefore you must be innocent’ bit.

The jury being bribed in either direction is independent of your guilt. You can be innocent and believe this is the best way to ensure that outcome given a less than stellar justice system. You can be guilty and one of your victims wants to ensure the right outcome for the same reason.
Thinking about it the most likely answer is that its a country were almost every judge, most nobles and at least half of the royal family have a habit of assuming that if the jury in a trial is bribed into finding the defendant guilty then the defendant must be innocent

As a result they give the defendant a pardon and roughly 90% of the time the person that gave the pardon has enough influence that the authorities either won't or can't look into the defendant having pulled a fast 1
 

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