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AI is stealing writers’ words and jobs…

Ryujin

Legend
EDIT: @Ryujin Someone pointed out elsewhere that the internet is the Wild West of data. If you post on the internet people can do anything with it if they choose. Post at your own risk.
Oh, I'm well aware of this. That's why my images contain embedded copyright information and are only readily available in relatively small size. Even so I've had people who knew me and know that I charge (nominally) for the use of my images use them for commercial purposes, without compensating me. They've been used in newsletters that advertise for businesses. They've been used by businesses on their websites. The oddest thing was when they were used for a calendar to try and drum up sponsorship for a group of motorcycle racers. if they'd asked I'd have either charged them a pittance, just to show they had a valid license for the images, or would have allowed use free of charge. They didn't ask.
 

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Let's say that we do make it that you do have to pay for references. That instantly makes it so only large corporations that own enough IP or can afford to license out libraries could afford the cost of training models with copyrighted materials. This does not stop anything, it just consolidates power.

Indeed. Open source, public AI engines are better in this regard than any corporate-owned, closed models.

EDIT: @Ryujin Someone pointed out elsewhere that the internet is the Wild West of data. If you post on the internet people can do anything with it if they choose. Post at your own risk.

Even when it's correctly regulated. The EU TDM makes it possible for research institution to scrape anything for non-profit use, without opt-out possibility.
 

At this point i'm leaning towards the actual outrage is more of the same old angry at the system that has always been there. No one has put forth an actual viable/workable alternative that takes into account the human factor. And before someone says the rules here prevent you, I will happily link to a place offsite.
 

Honestly a viable system would very much depend on the socio-economic conditions. Without falling into the political, I think I am still within the rule that pointing out that an artist making, say, 1,000 USD per month in the current condition that would be reduced to 500 USD per month due to increased AI competition would be in a very different situation depending on whether he was living in a high-expense country (and living in his car, from what I understand about the cost of living), living in a country with a very high level of social security (barely making ends meet, but not starving by far thanks to the subsidies and social discount he'd get) and living in a least-developped country but able to compete on the worldwide market through the Internet, and where such a sum could be twice the average salary. All would suffer from the reduced income source, but not in same proportions, and the willingness to adopt solutions would be very different as well.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
At this point i'm leaning towards the actual outrage is more of the same old angry at the system that has always been there. No one has put forth an actual viable/workable alternative that takes into account the human factor. And before someone says the rules here prevent you, I will happily link to a place offsite.
My outrage is still about the theft of creative works, but I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority.

Here's the deal. The business model has always been to hire artists and writers and then pay them accordingly. AI is the "alternative" to that, so the onus is on AI to demonstrate itself to be viable/workable, and ethical (to "take into account the human factor.")
 
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dragoner

KosmicRPG.com
Stealing water too:
ai water usage.png
 

My outrage is still about the theft of creative works, but I have no idea if I'm in the minority or majority.

Here's the deal. The business model has always been to hire artists and writers and then pay them accordingly. AI is the "alternative" to that, so the onus is on AI to demonstrate itself to be viable/workable, and to take into account the human factor.
In the case of money cheaper is always viable for the share holders. Ai has thus far proved to be cheaper. The only way to make it not cheaper would basically price it out of the hands of the non-corporations as i posted https://www.enworld.org/threads/ai-is-stealing-writers’-words-and-jobs….701799/post-9274874
 


CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
AI in this context was created for a reason, and that reason was to avoid paying creatives fairly (or at all). Thus, people are outraged (and rightly so, in my opinion.) Pretty cut-and-dry. Folks aren't outraged by "the system," they are outraged by a very specific practice that was built in a very specific way for a very specific purpose.
 

I think AI has demonstrated itself to be viable. If it was producing subpar images, it wouldn't endanger any job. If it wasn't cheaper, there would be no reason to hire an aAI user over a traditional artist or a photoshop user. The fact that AI is seen as a threat for some jobs (and in fact, it should be seen as a threat to all jobs by anyone with a modicum of foresight) is the proof that it is viable.

The new thing with AI is that it is threatening a new category of jobs. Few people cared about tailors when adopting factory-made clothing, then the factory jobs disappeared in relative general indifference. But now AI is lowering the price of a new category of services, threatening people who didn't feel threatened before.
 

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