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Pretty sure E6 did that.Did you think 3x PrC's were feat trees too?
Pretty sure E6 did that.Did you think 3x PrC's were feat trees too?
And this wild offtopic ride is about whether something that isn't in any way a feat tree in the existent game is or isn't a feat tree and then the goalposts lurched violently and collided with Mercury.This entire thread is about the existence of a house rule. If we don't talk about theoreticals, this thread topic doesn't exist.
<pedantic> If 40% make their save, and 60% fail, then it should actually by 28 x 0.8, or 22.4 average per target. </pedantic>Out-damaging fireball is not difficult, depending on the number of enemies and how good they are at dex saves. Obviously against a cluster of foes fireball is at its best. But against 1-2? Not so much.
A standard level 3 fireball averages around 28 damage (8d6) x.6 (assuming about 40% make their saving throw), or around 17 damage per target. Doing more than 30 damage in a round is not remarkable for a fighter. And the fighter can obviously focus their damage better, which makes it much more potent in a lot of situations (i.e. against a single BBEG). We've all seen battles where the inexperienced wizard launched a fireball against the enemy boss and managed a measly 12 damage or something.
Depends on the circumstances of the feat. If the feat was just fireball 1/LR, no +1 ASI, I wouldn't take it on most characters.Fireball is a great spell. But only in the right circumstances. That said, if it was available as a feat, everyone would take it.
Did you think that prestige classes in Dungeons and Dragons Third Edition and its successors Dungeons and Dragons Three Point Five and Pathfinder, which are the predecessors to Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition's subclasses were also quote 'the same thing' as feat trees, which have already been proven to in no way be and I quote again 'the same thing as feat trees'.Not sure what you are asking. Rephrase the question?
And me.Pretty sure E6 did that.
In a game with 3e/5e style level by level multiclassing, classes are just long feat trees.Did you think that prestige classes in Dungeons and Dragons Third Edition and its successors Dungeons and Dragons Three Point Five and Pathfinder, which are the predecessors to Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition's subclasses were also quote 'the same thing' as feat trees, which have already been proven to in no way be and I quote again 'the same thing as feat trees'.
I will always push back against caster supremacy, and doubly so against proposals that EXACERBATE that problem. The disrespect was 100% intentional. Cope.Sorry, but this is incredibly disrespectful. You don't have a right to act as a gatekeeper for what other tables or players consider fun or worthwhile. If you are so strongly opposed to a concept that you personally wouldn't use at your table and you are unable to see past your own biases, then you really don't need to participate.
I personally wouldn't include this feat at my table. But that's a matter of taste more than anything, and different from the question of game balance and finding ways to encourage the enjoyment others might find in the game.
Some people like that, and consider it a feature rather than a bug. You don't have to like it for someone else to have fun with it. No one's forcing you to play by rules that you don't like. You don't like this table, then don't participate and DBAD.I will always push back against caster supremacy, and doubly so against proposals that EXACERBATE that problem. The disrespect was 100% intentional. Cope.
The reason why I despise 3e prestige classes is because they were horribly convoluted with obscure worthless prereqs. And after the hazing became stupidly powerful.Did you think that prestige classes in Dungeons and Dragons Third Edition and its successors Dungeons and Dragons Three Point Five and Pathfinder, which are the predecessors to Dungeons and Dragons Fifth Edition's subclasses were also quote 'the same thing' as feat trees, which have already been proven to in no way be and I quote again 'the same thing as feat trees'.