D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?

UngeheuerLich said:

That comparison is quite interesting. Since you can easily build a functioning airplane (albeit a small one) out of a blank sheet of paper.

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Sure, but why have vaguely implied connections with no mechanical teeth, analogous to a paper airplane, when they can be resources you can draw on in play, analogous to an actual aircraft in which you can fly?

James Gasik said:

Hey, when one of the guys who worked on the current game says that, you can argue with him that it's not true, but that's basically Death of the Author in action, isn't it?

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Good thing Barthes was right and it also applies to games.

Hriston said:

Sure, but why have vaguely implied connections with no mechanical teeth, analogous to a paper airplane, when they can be resources you can draw on in play, analogous to an actual aircraft in which you can fly?

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Because the paper airplane fits into every room, whipe the actual aircraft does not. And also it pollutes the atmosphere way more.

Is there anyone left in this thread discussing if they plan to adopt 5e2024 or not?

James Gasik said:

Hey, when one of the guys who worked on the current game says that, you can argue with him that it's not true, but that's basically Death of the Author in action, isn't it?

Now yes, absolutely, there are games that are better at doing this than D&D, but that's never stopped people from using D&D to create and tell stories.

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Do we tell stories while we play D&D? I would say that I have and continue to do so. The game revolves around the story for us. Does it also have other aspects to it? Yes. That doesn't mean we aren't, in commoner/plain English/not geek speak, also playing a story telling game. Some people get way too concerned about exacting terminology that doesn't mean anything to the general public, like the people reading the article you quote.

Hriston said:

You said "2014 'Features'". Now you're subbing in later publications? Wth?

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I don't view the 2024 Backgrounds as being changes from the 2014 Backgrounds, because I don't view Backgrounds from the past half decade being essentially at all different than the 2014 Backgrounds. The Backgroudns from, for example, Strixhaven are not different from the 2014 Backgroudns except for some accidents of fluff text. Therefore, I similarly view these new Backgrounds as only different in some accidents of fluff text. Essence versus accident.

Hriston said:

This seems like a different claim. Instead of saying the text of the UA sample backgrounds connects your character to the world just as well as the 2014 background features (which I understood was your claim), now you're saying the sample backgrounds are effectively the same because "the reality... in practice" is no one used the 2014 backgrounds to connect their characters to the world in the first place. This is false. I use the 2014 background features in a way the sample backgrounds do not replicate.

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I reject the description of the "Features" as being "that which connects your character to the world." Yhe Fratures are just some clunking described fluff suggestions: so they have streamlined the wording, rhe Background still does the job of connecting a PC to the world, same as it did before.

Mistwell said:

Is there anyone left in this thread discussing if they plan to adopt 5e2024 or not?

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I can’t remember what my original post on this thread was but I do know I voted “Nope.” Not because I absolutely won’t get it or even because am not likely to get it. I just don’t have current plans to do so. Chances are I’ll get it eventually.

tl;dr: If 2E books were still in original printing quality, I'd still be buying those to this day. That was a fantastic collection, with plenty of resources for extremely high-quality games, without getting grossly overcomplicated by 395 base classes and 1,125 prestige classes of 3rd Edition.

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This may just be two cents from an old Grognard, but I have to say, I'm really disappointed by the support this movement gets. How millions of people can spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a tiny handful of 5E books, then turn around and amicably start all over again just blows my mind.

I must not be made of money like everyone around me or something.

5E doesn't have even half of the number of sourcebooks and reference materials of 1e, 2E, and especially not 3E, but here we are. Everyone's spent twice the cost per book for 5E stuff, many paying double that because of physical plus digital copies, only to now start brand new with this essentially 6E stuff even though 5E is really still in its infancy, despite being 10 years old now.

It's even worse for online players and DMs. They wasted a veritable fortune— the equivalence of car and/or mortgage payments! —on stuff which will now be outdated and useless. How do they not see DnDBeyond/5E/et al now has a future of being discontinued, then fully unsupported, and finally completely inaccessible at all anymore online.

All because players gave in to the corporate greed and got suckered into 6E. 5E itself has already felt the fracture, with big names like Kobold Press abandoning D&D to make their own (arguably: terribly and cringey-named) RPG.

And just like 3.x, the new 5.whateverthehell books, adventures, and resources are going to confuse relatively new players and DMs, who won't know what goes with what.

Stormbow said:

How millions of people can spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a tiny handful of 5E books, then turn around and amicably start all over again just blows my mind.

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This isn't starting over, all the 5E books still work with the re ised core.

Stormbow said:

Everyone's spent twice the cost per book for 5E stuff, many paying double that because of physical plus digital copies, only to now start brand new with this essentially 6E stuff even though 5E is really still in its infancy, despite being 10 years old now.

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5E books are comparable in price to the same material from 2E, counting gor inflation and content. We went over rthis in the run-up to the Planescape set last year, the 2023 book slipcase is actually cheaper for what yoy get than the OG Planescape campaign boxed set (which TSR was selling for a loss).

And again, we've seen the relevant rules for the revision, nothing from my 5E collection doesnremain usable going forwards into the next decade or two of 5E.

Mistwell said:

Is there anyone left in this thread discussing if they plan to adopt 5e2024 or not?

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the GM must've decided the background feature that lets them recall the thread topic is not applicable in the current environment.