gorice
Hero
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What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)
Aldarc
Legend
IMHO, it seems kind of hard to claim that you are interested in "more accurate and less loaded nomenclature" when you used loaded language like "forge bros" in the same breath.
MacDhomnuill
Explorer
MacDhomnuill
Explorer
Some of us were on the forge and were involved in the flame wars and watched the implosion in person (in forum?). I assure you the descption "bro" is both accurate and would have been worn with pride by many of the most toxic folks on the forge.IMHO, it seems kind of hard to claim that you are interested in "more accurate and less loaded nomenclature" when you used loaded language like "forge bros" in the same breath.
Aldarc
Legend
I fear that you became what you are raving against and brought that toxicity into this thread.
Celebrim
Legend
I think that's an unreasonable and often counterproductive demand. It just might be possible to do a script reading of a two-hour movie in two hours, but even that's questionable on the "it takes 1000 words to paint a picture" standard. But even if you could do a script reading of a two-hour movie in two hours, to try to recreate that experience in a game you'd end up with just a script reading. And I have seen games actually end up doing that.
By comparison to a movie, reading a script no one has to think and choose their words. In the finished movie, they cut out all the bits where participants in the movie making have to question the director about the fictional positioning. But those bits are essential to the game.
This is an improvisational story in the purist sense, and even professionals with plenty of theater experience take far more than two hours to generate two hours of edited story content. Vox Machina played for how long to produce the story of the cartoon?
So no, I don't think the goal is ever to make content that is real time in the same way that a movie is and attempts to force that are going to take a lot of the improvisation, agency, and game out of the game.
Yes. Narrativism/narrativist. Not narrative.
gorice
Hero
I don't see how you got from that essay to any of those assertions. I also don't think it's productive to unearth ancient grudges in any discussion whose aim is enlightenment.
Aldarc
Legend
Even if we account that "narrative game" is something of an exonym that is frequently imposed on games, there are probably things about these games that get them labeled as such, even if by their detractors. Note: these qualities may be found in other "non-narrative" games too, but it's often a combination of these things. Likewise not every game that gets labeled a "narrative game" will have these things or to the same extent.
These games often include, but are not limited to...
I will add that for some people I have interacted with here, it only takes the below to get labeled as a "narrative game."
* ...a game that has any mechanic that breaks their idiomatic sense of in-character roleplay immersion
These games often include, but are not limited to...
- ..."Fiction First" Principles, Rules, and/or Mechanics
- ...an interest in the fictional stakes and/or consequences in conflict resolution
- ...a mechanical interest in the dramatic beats of the player characters and/or fiction
- ...a greater concern for Emulation > Simulation
- ...ways for players to declare narrative truths or story details in the fiction
I will add that for some people I have interacted with here, it only takes the below to get labeled as a "narrative game."
* ...a game that has any mechanic that breaks their idiomatic sense of in-character roleplay immersion
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