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Well, yes. I've encountered bad players. Has anyone here NEVER encountered a bad player? Like, ever? But, of course, this is just more deflection - now we're talking about players instead of DM's. Why? Who cares? Edit - sorry, posting answers out of order. Yeah, I'll be stepping away for...

Who cares about "types of bad"? Why does "type of bad" matter in this context?

Did you ignore the "make mistakes aplenty" part of what you quoted. This is getting so frustrating. It's time for me to back out because there's just no way that this is going to be even remotely productive when EVERY SINGLE statement is twisted, turned and interpreted in the most ludicrous...

Then you were, at the time, a bad DM. Just like me. We learned. We got better. We improved. But, if we were GOOD DM's, then we wouldn't need to improve and wouldn't make mistakes aplenty. Thus, we were bad. 🤷 But, again, if your definition of bad is "malicious jerk" then sure, I imagine...

Being called bad, when you yourself recognize that you are bad, is insulting? Heck, being called bad at something is insulting? As in something that would seriously bother people? I'll admit that it's hardly complimentary, but, insulting? Seriously? I wonder if this isn't a cultural thing...

Maybe I missed it, but, who in this thread ever suggested that?

Oh, I'm sorry for not using academically accurate language. Good grief. Look, if you are below average ability in something, you are ... not good... oh, yes, bad at something. You might not be very bad. You might only be a bit bad. You might be terrible. But, at some point, yes, if you...

Why would I disagree with any of that? Are bad players a bigger problem? I honestly have no idea. Probably, just simply because of math. If the percentages of "bad" ((Note, are we talking about bad players, or malicious players as the definition of "bad" seems to be rather floating))...

Being a bad DM =/= being a bad person. You have somehow added this idea that being a bad DM somehow only applies to people who are bad people. Yeah, the level of semantic gymnastics going on here is absolutely astonishing. But again, given this thread, I suppose I should not be surprised...

Again, that's not how bell curves work. But, yes, below average is bad by definition. The fact that you have your own definition that you're working from comes as zero surprise given the rest of this thread.

Wow. Really? Saying that a DM is bad based on subjective criteria is equivalent to racism? Seriously? And, what strangers? The people judging the DM's performance are that DM's players. Where does the notion of judging strangers come into the equation? Or did I completely misunderstand...

How do you define "bad" then? I define bad as "below average". 🤷 If you're on the left side of the bell curve, that means you need to improve to be "average". Thus, at this moment, you are bad at whatever that bell curve is measuring.

And, I would take this a step further. The number of obnoxious vs fearful DM's is exactly the same. Just that lots of us don't run into them regularly because we rarely get to play. Well, that, and we've now apparently redefined bad to only mean malicious and not inept or inexperienced...

And, so, we're back to blaming players. A player cannot possibly know if a DM is good or bad. Any player who voices such an opinion can be discounted because their opinion is meaningless? Guess what? We judge performances based on subjective opinions ALL THE TIME. Ever read a restaurant...

ROTFLMAO. ANyone on the "downward slope" of the bell curve (at least the side that is literally not as good as average) is somehow not "bad"? I really don't think you understand what a bell curve is. But, yeah, this is pretty par for the course. Simply redefining commonly understood, plain...

Case in point. How can something be "not bad" when they are literally bad at something?

That is literally the definition of bad.

Holy threadomancy. To reply to a post from almost TWENTY years ago, to say that?!? LOL

No. That's just... no. There are tons of DM's out there that are bad at the game. Not because they are abusing women or remaining in gangs. :erm: Not every bad DM is a jerk. Most are just inexperienced or just haven't learned how to be good DM's yet. Or do you believe that good DM's...

But, the same is for DM's. Which means that there is a signficant number of gamers who run games who are not very good at it. Not out of malice or being bad people but, just inexperience. While you as 13 year old player might not be able to accurately identify the reasons for discontent, how...