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Just for fun: You are put in charge of adapting an existing campaign length adventure to prestige television for WotC. It can be any campaign from any edition, but it HAS to be a campaign not just a single adventure (so no Keep on the Borderlands or the orginal Ravenloft. Note that the "short"...

I have met many players who are not interested in "collaborative storytelling." Many want to play a game, plain and simple. I still think the hobby is for them.

Oh, look, it's on sale.

I am only generally aware of that games existence. I have never seen a copy.

The more AP I watch, the less it resembles actually playing an RPG.

The newest episode of the wonderful Our Fake History podcast is diving into hoe Buffalo Bill Cody "invented" the Old West by way of the stories he told about himself and his involvement in major events of the era. This got me to thinking about a potential from for an RPG: instead of the PCs...

The game part of the game is the majority of fun for me, so I prefer when players engage with that aspect as their primary focus.

While I appreciate moments of immersion that can spontaneously occur during play, I don't consider immersion necessary for a good game. I don't chase it and I can actually be annoyed when players value it above all else.

Yeah but if you roll a 1 you impale yourself while doing so.

Also a mace. For skeletons.

See?

To circle back around to lore broadly, I am a "shallow lore" person -- both in settings I prefer to play in, and when I create worlds for my games. Deep world building just doesn't interest me -- but I do like flavor. Star Wars is my Platonic Ideal for this kind of lore and world building. So...

I will cop to that. I was assuming context based on the thread premise. I was not trying to say that all exploration focused games are map dependent. I mean, we are really talking about a narrow gameplay style here. And it is totally okay that folks don't like that or want to do that. But the...

I find it weird that Tolkien elves are not "lazy fantasy tropes" but turtle people are.

I think you are conflating players and characters here. The point is challenging the players in this style of game, and so the work done to map is a player side thing. How they do it is up to them, but in a game where getting lost in the dungeon, turned around, or as @Lanefan mentions...

I'm not sure anyone in the thread said that. What we've said is that if exploring the dungeon is a important component of challenging the players, then mapping is part of that.

If you think that the differences races of Tolkien's world are just humans with some minor physical appearance differences, i would suggest you aren't reading Tolkien very carefully. (Except hobbits, who are in fact just short, if idealized, English folk.)

I have been toying with a setting for a while where the "planes" are all parallel "Earths" with essentially the same geography and places where different versions link. So Hell is a a fantasy post apocalypse, Fae is a world forest filled with magic, and so on.

I finally picked up Titanfall 2, as well as the Hitman collection and Gauntlet just because I like dumb loot smashers.

If you want to ever give it a go online, let me know, my friend.