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Right, I never said it was worthless. Just that it wasn’t representative. Exactly!

you are using different words here. Different classes of people respond to the survey at different rates than is in the population. Even you didnt dispute this. That makes it by definition a non-representative sample.

But it does indicate the results cannot be trusted as representative.

I don’t think you understand what a representative survey is. It doesn’t matter that the results might be the same across classes, it matters whether your survey sample mirrored the population proportionally along potentially important class splits. If this isn’t achieved then the survey results...

We do. What we know is that in virtually every domain those that invest a lot more time into something generally have different perspectives than those that don’t. So we most definitely can make that inference. It need not be scientifically rigorous for that kind of inference since that’s the...

Agreed. The survey barrier to entry was high. I never participated in any but 1. It’s really hard to get non biased results with high survey barrier to entry. Good bet but I think it will be longer. I think they want stable d&d tabletop to push other d&d branded products. I could see them...

Most importantly the way real surveys work isn’t to do a survey and say since you cannot prove the sample is not representative that it’s just as likely to be representative as not. Unless one has evidence the study is representative one shouldn’t act like it is or likely is representative.

I’d also note most people have hopes they may see level 11+ play even though it rarely happens. That factors in as well.

if you want him to be a martial damage dealer it’s probably fighter or rogue. If you want him to lean toward caster then control is probably your best option. I think Druid gets a bit better control than cleric so I’d say Druid there.

I’d be good counting such spells when the wizard is guaranteed to have the funds to buy them, where they have the option to buy them, where they can pick whatever spell to buy they want a scroll of and where something else isn’t more important to spend their gold on. But even if we give them...

Because they took rituals. It’s fairly simple logic.

#1. I don’t think so. I’m not even sure that Scroll magic marts are actually the most common playstyle. An occasional random scroll from loot or procedural generation to stock a merchant, maybe. #2. If it really makes that huge a difference then let’s call it out. If it’s the a major deciding...

Ah. But I already accounted for their value when I discussed rituals. Trying to double dip the value of those known spells for rituals and for non ritual spells is precisely why I’m pushing back.

Why?

That's the thing, i think in the style of game you play that Sorcerers are better through level 10. I don't think that's universal, but probably a bit more common than wizards being better in those levels. Arcana Expertise, Intelligence Skills, Find Familiar, Tiny Hut, Augury and Detect Magic...

And when you factor in some of those being rituals, it's very possible the wizard has even fewer non-ritual spells known than the sorcerer. And even if only a few rituals are taken it makes the gap nearly nonexistent. It only takes knowing 4 rituals by level 5 for the Wizard to not know any...

I literally didn't. I'll even quote the relevant bit for you... Note: I specifically left open how many rituals he might take. I only noted that if rituals are taken it ranges from very few more non-ritual spells known than the sorcerer to potentially fewer non-ritual spells known. Another...

The only contention I have here is that the Wizard is going to take a few rituals. Every ritual taken is a spell that's not really worth preparing for any reason, including scribing a scroll. So to say with a blanket statement that wizards scribe scrolls better because they have more spells...

Let me spell it out a little more clearly. If the Wizard chooses to not take rituals and was correct not to, in that they would not be useful in the campaign, then that's a campaign where the sorcerer is already outright better (outside very high levels), regardless of this wizard being able to...

I just meant in terms of non ritual spells known vs sorcerers. I think it takes till t4 to really accomplish that.