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Treats what defiantly? Nobles form different cultures? The noble background doesn't.

They can. They just need to roll for it. The noble doesn't, as they are not pretending to be a noble, they're a noble. Yeah, and those guys are at least both humans. This is the real issue with noble and many other backgrounds. They assume a world with high cultural homogeneity, and all worlds...

There was a lot of talk about what wizards should look like on these forums a while ago, so I then started a portrait of of an Artran wizard. This is a wizard-scribe of Shimbal wearing a traditional wizard's hat that is the mark of their profession. I think a wizard needs a tall pointy hat, but...

I do find it a bit wild that people find 4e D&D narrativist. Like sure, if I squint really hard, I can see the points raised, but those seem to be more in the eye of the beholder rather than in the game text. For example to me the "player authored quests" is simply advice to award XP for...

But so is Batman, so is Tarzan, Beowulf and countless other heroes of myths and stories that nevertheless do things no real human can. It is a fantasy game, not a real world simulator.

I sort of feel the analogies about wolverines and hammer have ceased to be useful in this instance, if they ever were. Back to games, perhaps?

I didn't mean mechanics. I meant what you'd probably call goals. The game may fulfil narrativist coals occasionally, without being concerned about doing so all the time. Can this remembering and looking generate into the myth the things looked for and being remembered like with your mage tower...

Perhaps. Though my main issue with Edwards's writings is that they're opaque, pretentious and condescending, so it is hard to have patience to dig what nuggets of wisdom might be buried in them. But I admit there are some.

Sure. My point is that there are no such clearcut lines. Even if we had a coherent definition of narrativism (which I still somewhat doubt) narrativist elements can appear in games to different degrees. So it is not whether something is or isn't narrativist, it is how narrativist it is...

Well, nice to see that I agree with him about something! :ROFLMAO:

How long till the release of 5.5? Who wants to take bets whether this debate is settled by then?

It is so weird that this is people's experience of 4e. Mine was that it is too prep heavy, and that's one reason I stopped running it. I find 5e much easier to prep.

You've met your match! :ROFLMAO:

This is just semantic quibbling and besides the point. The whole purpose of the thread is to compare traditional planning and the Blades approach.

I guess that's why none of us has heard of this Tom Clancy guy as his novels were an abysmal failure... 🤷 Like can you conceive that a lot of people care about both the premise and the tech aspects and think that having the book contain both is a feature not a bug? But you are again being...

Some sessions, or some parts of the single session address the theme. But some sessions or some parts of the session also address other things. Some scenes do, some don't. Some scenes serve other purposes. Sometimes there is. But not always. Like this is blatantly obviously trivially...

Yeah, sure. But what I meant that the point of neither game is really acquiring money. Acquiring money is an excuse for putting the characters into interesting situations. The money obviously still can be useful in the game (and definitely is more so in Blades than in D&D), but you're not trying...

Mate, the question answering is part of the ride. And the gold being excuse to do interesting stuff is as much a thing in the Blades than in the D&D, or arguably more, as it actually is pretty central conceit in that game. Like in that game too my chracter cares about getting rich, but it is not...

Yes, that's the point.