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I didn't notice that. Well the new version looks good. Sorry i have only been half here because of work.

tale touch looks good to me.

Im ok with the normal version of improved grab. Did you want to allow them to grapple multiple things?

Looks amazing.

so rhabs going to be a lower challenge rating?

So 13 for rhab and 15 for ahi?

It seems like at least 14 ish level seems to be were most cr 22 dragons tend to sit in spellcasting ability.

I could have sworn ive seen them. May may Have to do this on as a "Stat this up" UGH ok well that was the one i really wanted to see. anymore ideas?

I also approve of the latest tale slaps.

Maybe the "touch" version can be like an aoe burst that hits a large area instead of a tale spin. Like it touch attacks everything in x area to counter all those evacive jerkface rogues.

Ok so 24d4 For a Copper dragon breath ever 1d6 rounds (Average 3 rounds) so 1/3 the damage each tale sweep. So a d4 per age catagory sounds about right. (Or maybe a d6 per tale it has if you want to go with slightly more average damage due to the round of damage?) i was only mentioning a touch...

Yeah im fine with the red bits. ok so untill the dragon gets big enough for an actual tale slap it fire tale could just be a touch attack. Once it gets large enough it can be bonus damage onto of a tale slap. But it can still do a touch attack if it wants. Damage can be a d6 Per 3 or 4 age...

Looks amazing. So this look alright for the orbs? Foxfire Orbs (Su): At X age catagory (Whenever it gets its second tale makes sense. I thinks its juvenile.) the Dragon can release the fire from its tales into glowing (Foxfire Color) orbs that travel with the dragon. as a free action the...

Foxfire tale (Su): The fox dragon can bristle its tale(s)up ignite it in a blueish flame, This flame has all the properties of normal fire except that half of its damage is untyped. Creatures that are struck by the fox dragons tale attacks take the listed damage and must roll a dx X Y save...

Thats kind of what i was thinking So foxfire is half un-typed damage and causes dazzle & fearie fire. We could also give the dragon greater dispelling to deal with pesky anti fire magical effects. It soule have a couple trixy/fey spell like ability in line with is sylvan guardian. Sense it...

grab constrict Sounds fabulous to me. So tale attack is damage + free grab. We are putting allot of stock in fire damage makeing the aplication of spell or two able to nerf the dragon into few offencive options. Maybe the "Foxfire" has a portion of it be untyped damage?

You did mention no wing attacks but the all the tale stuff will make up for that i think. Multi grab could be fun :D

So you want the dragon to have Fire elementals in its tale? Or were you thinking the balls? Or the tale separates from the dragon to become Something else. The "more steps" fly speed seems fine to me. Yeah it's comet form can be faster and more maneuverable but it looses some offense In that...

Lets go with pan Lung SR. I think fire elementals or the balls would be fine The balls would slow down combat much less than potentially several fire elementals so more leaning towards the balls one ball per hit dice max out at one time is equal to the number of dragon tales. Maybe we can...

Sounds good to me.