Where are wands & holy symbols kept? quick or stowed?


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Joshua Randall said:
Why are you looking to screw over the PCs? Surely there are plenty of ways to hurt them without resorting to rules cheese.
Why is it cheese? Those are in game items. I have players who target NPC cleric's holy symbols. Is that cheese?

If casters can protect themselves so well a combatant can't cut them down, then in behooves the combatant to shut them down. Especially since doing so works off combat skill rather than magical protections. PC or NPC has no business in the equation. If you want to take an evil cleric alive and possibly redeem them, that’s the first thing you go for.

If your Knowledge:Local tells you a caster is relying on a small pointy stick or staff for mass destruction and is heavily protecting himself with magic, then that stick is more a target than he is.
 
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Rhun said:
I have always thought wands were carried in wand cases, similar to scroll cases, carried on the belt, and easily accessible. You can use the quickdraw feat to draw a wand, so I would say they are quickdraw items.

I think wands that our various parties have carried were put into the HHH.

As far as the holy symbol thing goes, per RAW I don't think you can use a holy symbol at the same time as your mace and shield. However, if the DM is flexible enough, there are ways around this. In one campaign, my cleric actually has his holy symbol mounted on the shield.

Location of the Holy Symbol depends on the cleric/cleric's player. Ours' have run the gamut from the usual pendant around the neck (most common) to painted/engraved on shields/armor and also on weapons. My cleric of Torm had her's being the gauntlet on her hand in addition to the usual pendant and also on the hilt of her sword. A friend's cleric has his on his shield.
 

Emirikol said:
So there's no real ruling on either one? I'd imagine that druids, rangers and clerics would want their divine focus on an indestructible mounted thingy. Wand-users will always attempt to claim that they've hidden their wands so that they can't be destroyed or disarmed (or stolen).

Is there an item/rule in the complete arcane or the DMG that would be relevant to either one of these?

jh

Thief: HA! I disarm the cleric of his holy symbol!

Next you see the image of the cleric standing there with his arms crossed in front of his bare front, face red with both embarrassment and rage. :lol:
 

Darth K'Trava said:
Thief: HA! I disarm the cleric of his holy symbol!

Next you see the image of the cleric standing there with his arms crossed in front of his bare front, face red with both embarrassment and rage. :lol:
If this was not the rules forum that would be funny. if a DM want to allow varient holy symbols on objects, thats his or her choice, but the the rules for divine foci are pretty straight forward.

Divine Focus (DF)
A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character’s faith.

If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).


Holly and mistletoe — —
Holy symbol, wooden 1 gp —
Holy symbol, silver 25 gp 1 lb.

Holy Symbol, Silver or Wooden
A holy symbol focuses positive energy. A cleric or paladin uses it as the focus for his spells and as a tool for turning undead. Each religion has its own holy symbol.

Unholy Symbols
An unholy symbol is like a holy symbol except that it focuses negative energy and is used by evil clerics (or by neutral clerics who want to cast evil spells or command undead).
 

#1. Be sure to ask your players where whatever it is that you are trying to sunder/disarm is before trying to do so. (Never assume!)

#2. The first time you do so to the cleric's Holy Symbol will also be the last, if the player's at all intelligent. S/he'll have them put on everything the character owns. (And argue fiercly about "Why can a piece of cloth be sew onto whatever and blessed?"

#3. Have fun, I do not envy you. Player hatred is not a nice thing.
 

Ed_Laprade said:
#2. The first time you do so to the cleric's Holy Symbol will also be the last, if the player's at all intelligent. S/he'll have them put on everything the character owns. (And argue fiercly about "Why can a piece of cloth be sew onto whatever and blessed?"

Mental note, all my cleric PC's from now on will have the holy symbol tattooed on my body.
 


KenM said:
Mental note, all my cleric PC's from now on will have the holy symbol tattooed on my body.

Same friend's cleric has his tattooed onto his upper arm, done by the party dwarf fighter/tattoo artist. I also had a ranger who had his deity's symbol on his upper arm.

Frankthedm said:
If this was not the rules forum that would be funny. if a DM want to allow varient holy symbols on objects, thats his or her choice, but the the rules for divine foci are pretty straight forward.

Divine Focus (DF)
A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character’s faith.

If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).

Holly and mistletoe — —
Holy symbol, wooden 1 gp —
Holy symbol, silver 25 gp 1 lb.

Holy Symbol, Silver or Wooden
A holy symbol focuses positive energy. A cleric or paladin uses it as the focus for his spells and as a tool for turning undead. Each religion has its own holy symbol.

Unholy Symbols
An unholy symbol is like a holy symbol except that it focuses negative energy and is used by evil clerics (or by neutral clerics who want to cast evil spells or command undead).

Note: it doesn't specify a certain TYPE of holy symbol. So, it basically can be anywhere/anything you want as long as both DM and player are fine with it. And doesn't have to be any ONE item if you don't want it to be just one thing. You'd think a cleric, the epitome of a deity's faithful, would be happy to wear his deity's symbol wherever on his person he'd want. Anything from pendants to embroidered onto his robes or a tabard over his armor to his armor or weapons. If not all the above. For instance, see pics of the iconic cleric. He doesn't just wear one symbol on his person but several.

And, second note: this ain't the rules forum. :p
 

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