Nominations are up!!
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Steel_Wind
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Perhaps the discussion of Adventure vs. Campaign Setting is beside the point.
I think the point is something else entirely: the perception that a Paizo monster product could be considered for two different main categories allows them to win both (in all probability) and then grab the Product of the year as well.
Is Who Framed Roger Rabbit a live action movie? Yes. Is it an animated movie? Undoubtedly. Should it be eligible to win an Oscar in both categories?
No - and that's the real practical point under discussion.
Suggestion: if this is with respect to "main category" the judges can pick one. It is also eligible for Product of the year if it qualifies, of course.
The exclusion rule ought to apply to main categories : it should not apply if you are talking about *technical* awards. This means that a product can have only one main category nomination - but if it's interior artwork is up to snuff - it can still qualify for an award for that too (or some other technical award it qualifies for, say, maps).
This really does address the essence of the main complaint here. Rasyr sees his Cyradon got an honorable mention and was on the edge of getting in for Best Setting. He didn't make it in - and instead saw SCAP in "his" category as well as another "main" category. This struck him as both unexpected and unjust and off we go...
If the judges do not perceive the essence of the complaint as a response to a perceived injustice - then that's another issue entirely - and one to be resolved in the fullness of time after the passage of same.
I think the point is something else entirely: the perception that a Paizo monster product could be considered for two different main categories allows them to win both (in all probability) and then grab the Product of the year as well.
Is Who Framed Roger Rabbit a live action movie? Yes. Is it an animated movie? Undoubtedly. Should it be eligible to win an Oscar in both categories?
No - and that's the real practical point under discussion.
Suggestion: if this is with respect to "main category" the judges can pick one. It is also eligible for Product of the year if it qualifies, of course.
The exclusion rule ought to apply to main categories : it should not apply if you are talking about *technical* awards. This means that a product can have only one main category nomination - but if it's interior artwork is up to snuff - it can still qualify for an award for that too (or some other technical award it qualifies for, say, maps).
This really does address the essence of the main complaint here. Rasyr sees his Cyradon got an honorable mention and was on the edge of getting in for Best Setting. He didn't make it in - and instead saw SCAP in "his" category as well as another "main" category. This struck him as both unexpected and unjust and off we go...
If the judges do not perceive the essence of the complaint as a response to a perceived injustice - then that's another issue entirely - and one to be resolved in the fullness of time after the passage of same.
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diaglo
Adventurer
Steel_Wind said:
what's a main category? is this on the ENnie site?
even with the oscars the media may pick a few main ones they feel are more important. but the guy winning best musical score or being nominated for it shouldn't be upset about not winning best actor. mostly he is just happy that people felt his work... the musical score was the best out there for that year.
i voted for all of the categories with the thought that people put a lot of work into their products. i commend those who entered. even the stuff i felt i would never buy i read all the way thru and with gusto. i wasn't gonna do this thing (being voted in as a judge) half arsed. and i stand by all of my votes. every last one of them.
Vocenoctum
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It's more about the Roger Rabbit question. Could it be nominated for "Best Live Action" as well as "Best Animated"?diaglo said:
righteousfist said:
D20 System brand? nope. D20 System games? yep.
M&MM uses a whole lot of stuff out of the D20 SRD. That makes it anything but "specifically and completely NOT d20 affiliated". It's very strongly affiliated. It just doesn't happen to bear the D20 System logo.
righteousfist said:
Except that the Action! Core Rules is an OGL game. And clearly does not belong in that category. There's nothing that says that a game released using the WotC OGL has to be D20 System, but the reverse is definitely true. While you are legally obligated to make a big difference between games bearing the D20 System logo and those that don't, from the consumer's perspective, the distinction is at best moot and at worst misleading--Arcana Evolved is pretty much plug-n-play compatible with D&D3.5E, but doesn't bear a D20 System logo, while Spycraft is pretty much incompatible with D&D3.5E (or D&D3E, which was current when it was released), yet bears the D20 System logo. And, really, the degree of mechanical difference between M&MM and D&D3.5E is less than between some D20 System logoed games, so it doesn't even reflect the degree to which you'll have to relearn when picking up a new game.
For that matter, what about Shadows of Yesterday? It's released using *an* OGL--specifically, one of the Creative Commons licenses. Heck, when i was submitting Dread, i felt I had to double-check that what they wanted in the "Best D20/OGL Game" category was really D20 System games, with or without the D20 System Logo, rather than open-game-license games (with or without D20 System), since Dread is the latter.
Unfortunately, WotC chose crappy terminology in several cases when inventing the WotC OGL and D20STL, and now we're stuck with it. Fortunately, i really don't think there's much need to distinguish between D20 System games bearing the logo, and those not, on a general basis. Much more useful would be distinguishing between D&D add-ons and things that aren't intended to be directly compatible with D&D, but there's no easy, WotC OGL-compatible way to do that (due to the draconian trademark restrictions)
Steel_Wind
Legend
diaglo said:
Yes it is.
The elements that make up the products: Best Cover Art | Best Interior Art | Best Cartography | Best Production Values | Best Writing | Best Rules
(this is a technical award). You should be eligible for more than one here, as every product uses these elements in making their product. If you prefer to use the best actor/best actress analogy - it applies here. Each "product by content" type uses actors and actresses too.
Type of products by content: Best Adventure | Best Supplement | Best Campaign/Campaign Supplement | Best Adversary/Monster Product
(this is a main category): This is not a best actor, best actress situation, in my opinion. It's a Best Picture, Best Animated Picture (short) Best Animated (long), Best Animated (feature) analogy.
Choose One. The fact it may qualify for more than one is not the point. The point is - choose one.
The genesis of the discussion was that Rasyr perceived it to be unjust that one could be nominated for more than one categoy in a "product by content" category.
While you may not agree with him Diaglo - I do very much see his point. This ought to be revisited in the Fall.
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