Templates and Treasure Troubles

Hey all

Let's say I have a 5th lvl NPC Fighter. Then I decide to add the Vampire Template. What happens to his treasure? The DMG tells me that at 5th lvl an NPC has 4,300 gp worth of equipment and treasure and what not. The Vampire template says the treasure rating is "double standard" but.. what am I doubling? Do I double the 4,300 gp? because he is 5th lvl? Or does he have double a CR 7 treasure (since 5 + 2 for the template = 7). Or does he have 4,300gp for being 5th lvl.. and then an extra amount equal to double the difference between his CR as a normal fighter and the CR of being a vampire fighter (in this case.. double a CR 2 treasure).

I think I've overcomplicated it.. can anyone help me out?

Thanks

J from Three Haligonians

Three_Haligonians said:

Do I double the 4,300 gp? because he is 5th lvl? Or does he have double a CR 7 treasure (since 5 + 2 for the template = 7).

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The latter. NPC gear isn't really "treasure"... in fact, it's often worth considerably more than treasure for a comparable CR creature, and so should be used sparingly and/or deducted from the value of the monsters hoard.

So in this case a CR 7 creature's treasure should be equal to 2,600 gp., doubled to 5,200 gp. for the vampire. It would be reasonable to deduct the 4,300 gp in gear from this (and so just giving him another 900 gp in treasure... probably in art, coins or gems since the other stuff isn't as 'liquid').

mvincent said:

The latter. NPC gear isn't really "treasure"... in fact, it's often worth considerably more than treasure for a comparable CR creature, and so should be used sparingly and/or deducted from the value of the monsters hoard.

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There is precedent for that with NPC wizards and the GP value of thier spellbooks. Though normally gear replaces treasure for NPC, classed monstera normally have their CR in treasure and class level of gear.

Double check the gear / treasue of the sample vampries, Is it the normal NPC amount, or is it double the normal NPC amount? That might answer the question.

mvincent said:

So in this case a CR 7 creature's treasure should be equal to 2,600 gp., doubled to 5,200 gp. for the vampire. It would be reasonable to deduct the 4,300 gp in gear from this (and so just giving him another 900 gp in treasure... probably in art, coins or gems since the other stuff isn't as 'liquid').

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Well since a 5th level vampire would not be that anceint, the velvet cusioned gold inlaid ironwood coffin is not palusable yet...

frankthedm said:

normally gear replaces treasure for NPC, classed monstera normally have their CR in treasure and class level of gear.

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I believe I read (possibly in Dragon magazine) that the value of gear for such creatures should be equal to an NPC of level equal to the monster's class level(s) + ECL. This made no sense to me as that would allow say, a cloud giant with a level in barbarian to have the wealth equivalent of a 20th level NPC (which would be a Monty Haul).

mvincent said:

I believe I read (possibly in Dragon magazine) that the value of gear for such creatures should be equal to an NPC of level equal to the monster's class level(s) + ECL. This made no sense to me as that would allow say, a cloud giant with a level in barbarian to have the wealth equivalent of a 20th level NPC (which would be a Monty Haul).

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The monster manual AND the SRD have that mistake actually. The 3.5 DMG states the CR of treasure & NPC gear of the class level.