Raising the dead and level loss

Evilhalfling

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When a character is brought back from the dead - does he loose the last level gained
or can he pick (a multiclass Fighter/Rogue/Wizard for example.)

For more fun if he is a multiclassed paladin or monk with only one recent level of rogue can he regain his innocence and continue as a P or M?
 

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He loses the highest level in any class.

(Edit) Err... doesn't he? I can't find a source for that at the moment.
 
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It is the last level gained IMC. And no, you don't get to be pure again. You lose the ability to advance the second you take another class and nothing can change that.

That said, there are several class combos that I do allow with Paladins and sometimes Monks for them to multi-class freely. It depends on the setting and character type. A Paladin for the Goddess of Magic, for example, can freely be a Wizard as well as a Paladin as long as their Paladin and Wizard levels are approximately the same (+-1 level).
 

dcollins said:
He loses the highest level in any class.

(Edit) Err... doesn't he? I can't find a source for that at the moment.

I have a memory of that from 3E, but I'm away from my books, so I can't check if it was in fact the case... or if it carried over into 3.5.

It can lead to some interesting PrC tricks, though.

Let's say I have a Ftr1/Wiz5/Eldritch Knight2.

EK has a requirement of "Ability to cast 3rd level arcane spells". He requires this ability in order to take the first level of the class, and if he loses it, then per Complete Warrior, he loses access to all class features.

At present, he casts as a 6th level wizard, thanks to the +1 spellcasting level of EK2.

If he loses a level from his highest class, he becomes a Ftr1/Wiz4/EK2. He casts as a 5th level wizard... sufficient to satisfy the "Ability to cast 3rd level arcane spells" requirement. He's now a valid Ftr1/Wiz4/EK2 build, even though he could not have entered the class in that fashion, and can continue taking EK levels.

A Ftr1/Wiz5/EK3 drained 2 levels would be a valid Ftr1/Wiz3/EK3.

However, a Ftr1/Wiz5/EK2 drained 2 levels would be an invalid Ftr1/Wiz3/EK2. He'd lose access to all EK class features, and would not regain them until he took another level in wizard.

Even more unusual - a Ftr5 who takes the first level in four fighter PrCs with good BAB and a BAB +5 requirement gets drained 4 levels. His highest class is fighter, so he gets drained to Ftr1/PrCA1/PrCB1/PrCC1/PrCD1... but since his BAB is +5, he still satisfies the requirements of all four PrCs, and can continue advancing in any of them without taking any fighter levels. If he'd only had three PrCs, he would need to take one fighter level before regaining the class features of the PrCs... but not four levels, because BAB from PrCs is retained (along with BSBs and hit dice) even when class features are unavailable.

-Hyp.
 

Hypersmurf said:
However, a Ftr1/Wiz5/EK2 drained 2 levels would be an invalid Ftr1/Wiz3/EK2. He'd lose access to all EK class features, and would not regain them until he took another level in wizard.
Two levels, right? 'Cause only until then does he gain access to the precious +1 spellcasting level. With one level, the EK levels are not, er, 'active'.

Anyway, I agree that that's some weird stuff, and houserule or not I'd use last level. :)
 


Hypersmurf said:
I have a memory of that from 3E, but I'm away from my books, so I can't check if it was in fact the case... or if it carried over into 3.5.

At the moment I'm not finding it in my 3.0 books or FAQ. Does 3.5 actually say "last level" (can't find that in 3.5 SRD either)?
 

dcollins said:
At the moment I'm not finding it in my 3.0 books or FAQ. Does 3.5 actually say "last level" (can't find that in 3.5 SRD either)?

Under energy drain, it just says "lose one level".

-Hyp.
 

My ranger character was drained by a vampire the other day. Do I get to choose which level I lose? I think I'll pick 3rd level. I didn't get much good stuff at 3rd. :p

Seriously, it only makes sense to me that you lose your most recent level(s). Even though I don't see a rule one way or the other.
 

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