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Why you still soft-bump?
On an unrelated note, I sent you a mail yesterday, but I just saw a failure notice email in my spam folder (don't ask my why it'd end up there). I presume you did not receive it, them?
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Old 01-01-06, 04:05 PM #6
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Okay, I guess now I know why. I re-sent it.
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Old 01-01-06, 04:11 PM #7
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Why you still soft-bump?
to keep votes coming in until i'm ready to deal with the results.
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Old 01-04-06, 04:24 AM #8
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Might as well close a few of these polls - some of them are pretty much a done deal:
Alignment: CN
Main attribute: Virtue/vice
Hit Dice: 4-6 (tie with 1-3, but there's many more votes for >6 than for <1)
You may also want to consider doing one big runoff poll with the top choices of the remaining polls. E.g.
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Which of these features should our Fey creature have?
[] Environment: Marsh
[] Environment: Hills
[] Environment: Urban
[] Size: Small
[] Size: Medium
[] 2 HD
[] 3 HD
[] 4 HD
[] 5 HD
[] Virtue/vice: do-gooder
[] Virtue/vice: wicked destroyer
[] Virtue/vice: maintains the balance in nature
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Old 01-04-06, 04:29 AM #9
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i don't have the ability to close polls anymore - even ones that i started.
however, i will probably work tonight on figuring out how the matchups went...
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Old 01-04-06, 04:35 AM #10
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Well, I didn't so much mean actually closing them, rather than just calling them done and moving on...
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Old 01-04-06, 06:32 AM #11
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actually, i just realized that i can close a poll - by closing the thread. i have done that with three of the polls: alignment and environment will remain open for the moment, hoping for a few more votes to break some of the ties before moving on. for some of these results, i may simply pick and choose what to go with.
Let's extrapolate 5 creatures, given the current poll results, shall we?
Creature #1
Hit Dice: (1-3 or 4-6)
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Main Attribute: Virtue/Vice
Environment: Marsh
Size: Medium
Creature #2
Hit Dice: (1-3 or 4-6)
Alignment: (LN, N, or CE)
Main Attribute: Animal/vegetable/minerals
Environment: (Hills or urban)
Size: Small
Creature #3
Hit Dice: 7-9
Alignment: (LN, N, or CE)
Main Attribute: (magic/psionics or another creature type)
Environment: (Hills or urban)
Size: (Tiny or Large)
Creature #4
Hit Dice: 10-12
Alignment: (LN, N, or CE)
Main Attribute: (magic/psionics or another creature type)
Environment: (desert or plains)
Size: (Tiny or Large)
Creature #5
Hit Dice: (16-18 or 22+)
Alignment: (NG, CG, NE)
Main Attribute: Stellar spirit - sun, moon, planets, stars, zodiac
Environment: (desert or plains)
Size: Huge
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Old 01-04-06, 07:20 AM #12
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Ah - I forgot you were going to do several fey at the same time.
So - how do you plan to continue with this? Seems like you'd need to eliminate some of those "OR's" from your 5 creatures before we can move on to flesh them out further. First of all, you can eliminate some of the options by linking HD to size. So you would get:
Creature #1
Hit Dice: 4-6
Size: Medium
Creature #2
Hit Dice: 1-3
Size: Small
Creature #3
Hit Dice: 7-9
Size: Tiny
Creature #4
Hit Dice: 10-12
Size: Large
Creature #5
Hit Dice: (16-18 or 22+)
Size: Huge
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Old 01-04-06, 06:15 PM #13
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#5 is my kinda critter.
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Old 01-04-06, 10:49 PM #14
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actually coniall, that was exactly how i was going to arrange that.
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Old 01-05-06, 01:49 AM #15
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#5 is my kinda critter.
Hmm... a huge zodiac creature...
During a clear new moon, it is said that the astrological creatures of the zodiac descend upon the plains to dance the dance of ages.
Since many of the animals corresponding to signs of the zodiac already have stats in D&D, you could even make this one a template. Call it "Avatar of the Zodiac" or something: take the base animal (e.g. Lion), enlarge it to size Huge and color it pitch black, with stars as eyes. A bit rough, but you get the idea...
Alternatively, you could design a base creature, and have a table with 1-2 additional abilities for each different sign. Would be much easier to balance that way...
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Old 01-05-06, 02:01 AM #16
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I like that second idea. The shape of the Zodiacan would be dependant on what sign they were in, with mostly the same stats.
Oh, and BOZ, I know that you're intending to do all the fey by poll, but I have an urban, CE, 10 HD, medium fey kicking around my hard-drive. It got cut from my last Dragon submission, and I'm really proud of 'im. If I could slip it into this discussion/statting somehow, that'd be cool. If not, I'll probably post it in Homebrews.
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Old 01-05-06, 02:13 AM #17
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Oh, and BOZ, I know that you're intending to do all the fey by poll, but I have an urban, CE, 10 HD, medium fey kicking around my hard-drive. It got cut from my last Dragon submission, and I'm really proud of 'im. If I could slip it into this discussion/statting somehow, that'd be cool. If not, I'll probably post it in Homebrews.
Any chance you could make it Large and shoehorn it into #4?
Heck, if we like it well enough, we could just have a poll on whether or now we want to adopt it for #4, or continue polling for that one...
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Old 01-05-06, 02:40 AM #18
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Any chance you could make it Large and shoehorn it into #4?
Heck, if we like it well enough, we could just have a poll on whether or now we want to adopt it for #4, or continue polling for that one...
It's a springheel, taken from the British legend of Springheel Jack, murderous wicked creatures that delight in leaping upon random folks and terrorizing them with iron claws and fiery spittle. It was Medium in the stories (because its appearance is mostly human), but I am willing to comprimise. With BOZ's permission, I can post it as it stands in this thread.
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Old 01-05-06, 02:56 AM #19
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how about this: we can piggyback your fey critter into whatever query i construct before sending it in. you would of course get authorship credit, as knight otu did for MotM. go ahead and post it in homebrews so it won't get lost; we will pick it up later when/if it's needed. also, more than one Dragon designer has suggested that "leftover" monsters are likely to appear in CCV this year, so your contribution may not be needed if that is the case.
besides that, we will be creating 5 new creatures with these polls, and adding those along with any fey conversions we like in the query.
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Old 01-05-06, 03:15 AM #20
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go ahead and post it in homebrews so it won't get lost; we will pick it up later when/if it's needed. also, more than one Dragon designer has suggested that "leftover" monsters are likely to appear in CCV this year, so your contribution may not be needed if that is the case.
No, no, that's where the rest of that article is ending up. The query was "monsters from the real world". The Jersey Devil, sasquatch, mammoth octopus and springheel didn't make the cut. The other two did.
I'll post him in Homebrews.
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Old 01-05-06, 07:43 AM #21
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oh... neat then! hey you never know, if you pass something through a second time you might just win out.
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Old 01-06-06, 11:06 PM #22
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So, how do we go from here? Polls for each of the 5 critters separately? We can always carry over some of the second-place options from a poll to the poll for the next critter in line...
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Old 01-06-06, 11:08 PM #23
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the dynamics have shifted again!
Creature #1
Hit Dice: 4-6
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Main Attribute: Virtue/Vice
Environment: Marsh
Size: Medium
Creature #2
Hit Dice: 1-3
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Main Attribute: Mineral
Environment: Urban
Size: Small
Creature #3
Hit Dice: 7-9
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
Main Attribute: Magic
Environment: Hills
Size: Tiny
Creature #4
Hit Dice: 10-12
Alignment: Chaotic Evil
Main Attribute: Another creature type (Elemental Earth)
Environment: Aquatic
Size: Large
Creature #5
Hit Dice: 16-18
Alignment: Neutral
Main Attribute: Stellar spirit - sun, moon, planets, stars, zodiac
Environment: Arctic
Size: Huge
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Old 01-11-06, 03:52 AM #24
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You know, BOZ... I can understand doing a poll to see which 5 out of a large range of options people like best. And I could understand doing additional polls to figure out how people want to combine those options.
But the current polls you're running don't really make sense to me. I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish... do you want creature #1 to be some unholy combination of all the favorite features, regardless of how well they actually fit together, and #5 an equally mismatched combination of all the second (or rather 5th) rate features? Wouldn't #5 wind up being sort of a "garbage heap" creature - just throwing together all the features hardly anybody really wants?
It's an interesting experiment, but not really a mechanism that is likely to lead to creatures people will actually *like*.
Don't want to poop on your party or anything... just felt I needed to point that out before we do another 30-40 polls along the same lines...
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Old 01-11-06, 11:36 PM #25
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do you want creature #1 to be some unholy combination of all the favorite features, regardless of how well they actually fit together, and #5 an equally mismatched combination of all the second (or rather 5th) rate features? Wouldn't #5 wind up being sort of a "garbage heap" creature - just throwing together all the features hardly anybody really wants?
YES! and my frankenstein fey shall destroy all who oppose them!
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Old 01-12-06, 02:36 AM #26
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Old 01-15-06, 06:20 AM #27
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now that the skeleton/groundwork is laid down, the most popular options for each one can be decided. i think you can make something good out of any idea, and seemingly random things can yeild combinations you would not have otherwise thought of. besides, randomness has always been a big part of D&D - why the dice, if not?
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Old 01-22-06, 03:29 AM #28
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OK, narrowing down #4 some more, but i will start a thread for discussion on #1 shortly...
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