Greyhawk and FR Mashup! (No naysaying please)

Kamikaze Midget said:

Make a list about everything you love in FR. Then have a GH fan make a list of everything the love about GH. Now, just close your eyes and imagine there was a world with both those lists on it.

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Here is a shameless attempt to recover from the previous thread on the topic, which crashed and burned horribly. Please, no "you shouldn't do this, GH and FR don't work together! You're wrecking the settings!" - it could not possibly be clearer that this opinion is out there.

With that out of the way, how would you mix and match your favorite elements of the setting, if you were making ONE setting that had the best of both?

Personally, I'm thinking about mythology first and foremost here - I think a tighter pantheon would be better (more relations between the powers, and a sense of history between them).

I like the idea of keeping the origins of the abyss to be in the deepest, darkest past, with the conflict between Law and Chaos predating the creation of the world. Baernoloths made obyriths and Ancient Baatorians, each of which receded with the rise of yugoloths, tanar'ri, and ba'atezu.

I like a primordial, horrible earth ruled by Aboleths who are a sort of creator race, but are then destroyed as gods appear.

I like the idea of Selune and Shar emerging in a void about the world.

I like Pelor as a Sun god, and I think he's a good counterpart to Selune.

Tiamat and Bahamut and Chronepsis just rock, IMO.

I'm thinking GODSWAR.

Oh, I like FR's Yuan-ti give way to Dragons give way to Giants give way to Elves ... thing.

Who would be the two sides?

Oh, Tharizdun is cool as well (goes well with the primordial law/chaos fight as father of the evil Archomentals).

Things I like:

FR:
All

Greyhawk:
Vecna
Awesome dungeons
Boccob
Mordenkainen and the circle of eight
Feudal battles and the quest among feudal lords

Actually, sounds a little like the FR campaigns I've run.

Put Greyhawk someplace around Cromyr or otherwise near but south of the Dales. Make it the main opponent of Zhentil Keep (and I'm playing with the 1E boxed set of FR BTW with expansion and bits from the 3.x books, can't stand some of the things they did to the world in 2E & 3E). The supposed good area of FR always lacked a solid point of interest to hold my attention.

The Red Wizards of Iuz.

Yammunahar/ Hordelands (mongolia) from the recent dragon magazine article are SO in.

Ooh, Iuz, God of Thay?

rycanada said:

Ooh, Iuz, God of Thay?

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Well, the Red Wizards were always trying to become gods. One of them succeeded (with no small thanks to his mother and father). There was probably some bit of angst as the other Red Wizards did not want another god ruling over them which saw some turmoil such as Ceaser coming to power or Hitler getting rid of Roehm. Shortly thereafter, Iuz became the undisputed head of the Red Wizards and an example of what they all strive for. The current Red Wizards are all fairly loyal to Iuz, otherwise they wouldn't have been allowed to gain the power they have, but still bicker and fight amonsgt themselves. Iuz plays favorites, but the zukirs are all his favorites so he lets them settle their own disputes.

Iuz is the autocratic ruler of Thay, but tends to only set general policy and delegate rather than actually try to control all the actions of his country. His duties mainly lie in research and laison to the outer planes as he tries to curry favor without ending up beholden to powerful outsiders. Behind Iuz is his mother who is said to hold the real power, but she is unconcerned with the Realms of Oerth, and only in using her son and his followers as support in her larger struggle for even greater power.