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D&D 4E I am Happy They Finally Announced 4E

Reynard

aka Ian Eller
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Mostly because it has had me thinking about D&D a lot for the last few days and finally consolidated my feelings on the matter: whatever D&D in its current form is, and what it looks like its future form will be, it is not the D&D I prefer.

I have had a love hate relationship with the game since 3e came out. Battlemats and minis, too many options, too much emphasis on the player, too much taken out of the hands of the DM, the consistent slide toward dumbed down action adventure fantasy, the death of exploration and dungeon delving. All of these things have vexed me at one time or another. Times when they have all vexed me simultaneously, I have dropped campaigns I have been running and almost quit altogether.

I realize a lot of people came back to D&D with 3rd edition -- though it is questionable how many of them stayed -- but the fact is that the game changed dramatically in tone and intention. But I love D&D and have fond memories of great campaigns, so I tried. Again and again, with different groups and different houserules and throwing out these rules and those. in the end, though, the "new" D&D was a different animal and not conducive to my definition of D&D.

Now, with 4th imminent, I can finally relax and just go back to running 1st or 2nd edition, knowing that there's no reson for me to keep going with the game heading even farther down a path away from "my D&D".
 

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So what you're saying is that since you never really liked 3E and prefer an earlier edition, you're happy now that they've killed it and are moving on? What about all the people who feel about 3E the way you do about 1E?

Seems an odd thing to be happy over ... you've always had the option of playing 1E, 2E, whatever.
 

I know what you mean. I don't hate 3E, but I came to recognize that it isn't the best system for me and how I like to game. I'm running C&C, which I enjoy (and in print, if that matters), and I've also been running OD&D(1974), which has been a total blast. I'm probably going to stick with OD&D for a while, although I'm toying with the idea of running an OAD&D game, too.
 

Olgar Shiverstone said:
So what you're saying is that since you never really liked 3E and prefer an earlier edition, you're happy now that they've killed it and are moving on?
I didn't take it that way. I think he's saying the pending rise of 4E helped him to "know his mind," and that's what he's really happy about. He got a sense of liberation.
 

it's just funny that the OP talks about the death of dungeon delving, since "Back to the dungeon" was one of the big official rallying cries for 3E it seemed.

I have to completely disagree about too much player choice tho. I never see that as a bad thing, whether I'm running or playing. Then again, just because a book is published doesn't mean I'll allow it. The DM always has final say. If I run, I always come up w/a list of allowed books and prestige classes found inside. If your players are adults about it they'll be fine.
 



Philotomy Jurament said:
I didn't take it that way. I think he's saying the pending rise of 4E helped him to "know his mind," and that's what he's really happy about. He got a sense of liberation.

This.
 

SSquirrel said:
it's just funny that the OP talks about the death of dungeon delving, since "Back to the dungeon" was one of the big official rallying cries for 3E it seemed.

And I think it was that way at the beginning, even if the new systems didn't necessarily support it due to the restrictions of the grid/minis issue. but as time has gone on and 3.0 became 3.5, it became less and less useful for "old school" exploreation dungeon crawling. The final nail, as I see it, is switching to a per-encounter model, rather than a per-day one.

I have to completely disagree about too much player choice tho. I never see that as a bad thing, whether I'm running or playing. Then again, just because a book is published doesn't mean I'll allow it. The DM always has final say. If I run, I always come up w/a list of allowed books and prestige classes found inside. If your players are adults about it they'll be fine.

It was player choice at the expense of the DM -- not only in his workload, but his authority. it is the responsibility of the DM to make sure his players feel adequately rewarded for their time investment at the game, not the books' or designers'.
 

Philotomy Jurament said:
I didn't take it that way. I think he's saying the pending rise of 4E helped him to "know his mind," and that's what he's really happy about. He got a sense of liberation.

No offense, but you obviously aren't familiar with the OP's posting history here. He seems to only post when he has something negative to say about the current edition of D&D. For instance, what kind of postive contribution did this backhanded insult add to ENWorld? What good thing did him gloating about the demise of D&D 3x bring about? I don't deny the man his right to be a bitter ball of hate, I just wish that he didn't seek out 3x forums with the express purpose of raining on everybody else's parade :confused:
 

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