Official word on Dragonshield tactics and movement interrupts in general
Irda Ranger
First Post
Thanks. That's very helpful.eleran said:
Radiating Gnome
Adventurer
The short version is this . . . . Like an OA, an immediate action triggered by movement is triggered right at the moment the movement meets the require condition -- move within one space, etc. At that point the reacting character makes the reaction -- in the case of Dragonshield tactics, a shift; in the case of an OA, an attack. Then, once that has been completed or resolved, the acting character can continue his or her movement -- and react to the results of the interrupt action. If, for example, you moved near a target who took an OA and critted you badly, and you changed your mind and decide you needed to get nearer to the cleric, rather than the enemy you were trying to close with, you could use whatever movement you had remaining to move in a new direction.
In the Dragonshield Tactics example, if you move close to the kobold and he shifts back, and you still have movement left, you can continue your movement to close with him again.
-rg
In the Dragonshield Tactics example, if you move close to the kobold and he shifts back, and you still have movement left, you can continue your movement to close with him again.
-rg
hennebeck
First Post
It's helpful, except that they shouldn't have called it immediate reaction and defined immediate reaction as "the triggering action is completely resolved before you take your reaction."
So an action is move or standard or minor...OR it's something else that happens.
You can't use keywords recklessly in a keyword-centric game.
So an action is move or standard or minor...OR it's something else that happens.
You can't use keywords recklessly in a keyword-centric game.
Nail
First Post
I'm not sure I see the confusion.
The Ftr charges a kobold.
The Ftr arrives at the kobold's adjacent square, which may also be the closest square to the Ftr's target.
The kobold uses an immediate interupt action to shift 1 square.
The Ftr can continue his charge, if he has enough move left and if he is not currently at "the closest square adjacent to his target".
Why the confusion? The kobold's action interupts the charge, but need not invalidate it.
The Ftr charges a kobold. The Ftr arrives at the kobold's adjacent square, which may also be the closest square to the Ftr's target.The kobold uses an immediate interupt action to shift 1 square. The Ftr can continue his charge, if he has enough move left and if he is not currently at "the closest square adjacent to his target".Why the confusion? The kobold's action interupts the charge, but need not invalidate it.
D'karr
Adventurer
Nail said:
Because the Dragonshield's Immediate Action is not an interrupt, it is an Immediate Reaction. In other words the reaction does not happen until the trigger is complete. But what they are saying is that the trigger is complete when the opponent is in any square that is adjacent, whether he has completed his move action or not.
fnwc
Explorer
The confusion comes in the fact that, as D'karr has previously stated, an action is not an action when it comes to this description.Nail said:I'm not sure I see the confusion.
Why the confusion? The kobold's action interupts the charge, but need not invalidate it.
"Actions", as we know them, are standard, move, minor and free actions. What this ruling from mearls says is that the "move" trigger in the Dragonshield power is actually triggered by a micro-move in the move action, rather than the action as a whole. This is confusing because they use the word 'triggering action', which would seem to indicate the entire action, whether it be a 'move', a 'charge', etc. If you go by the RAW, then the entire triggering "action" must complete before the Dragonshield activates his power. But this is not the intended effect of the power.
This seems nitpicky, but obviously the wording isn't clear enough due to the misuse of terminology in the power description.
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