Heartwarder

Here are some changes to the Heartwarder PrC from Faiths and Pantheons.

Requirements

Alignment: Chaotic good.
Base Save Bonus: Reflex +2.
Skills: Bluff 3 ranks, Craft (any art) 6 ranks, Diplomacy 6 ranks, Speak Language (Sylvan).
Feats: Skill Focus (Craft), Spell Focus (Enchantment), Exotic Weapon Proficiency (whip).
Spells: Ability to cast 3rd level spells.

Class Features

Voice of a Siren: At 6th level, a heartwarder's voice is so enticing that she weakens the ability of opponents to resist her spells. The heartwarder gets a +2 bonus on caster level checks (1d20 + caster level) made to overcome a creature’s spell resistance. This bonus stacks with the one from Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration. In addition, add +1 [3.0: +2] to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against spells from the Enchantment school cast by the heartwarder. This bonus stacks with the bonus from Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus. Both bonuses only apply to spells with a verbal component (which are not altered with the Silent Spell feat).

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Thanee

I actually play a Heartwarder in a 3.0E PbP game, so I'm curious as to why you made the changes. Dodge and Mobility never really quite fit my idea of the Heartwarder, and I agree something was needed to substitute, but I don't remember Sune being a goddess of art (poetry and musical composition would be more Milil's domain, and I'm not sure which deity covers painting and macrame ) so I don't really understand the Skill Focus (Craft) and Craft(artistic) requirements.

Still, I'd like to see a good 3.5E Heartwarder conversion, and would be interested to hear the reasoning behind your proposed changes.

Malin Genie said:

I don't remember Sune being a goddess of art (poetry and musical composition would be more Milil's domain, and I'm not sure which deity covers painting and macrame ) so I don't really understand the Skill Focus (Craft) and Craft(artistic) requirements.

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Sune is the goddess of beauty, which IMO gives her influence over art - it's not her main focus, but it's a related thing. Other gods with influence over art would be Lathander (creativity), Oghma (inspiration), as well as some gods with more specific influence over specific art forms, like Lliira (dance) and Milil (music).

Do you have Faiths and Pantheons?

Well, you should, considering the heartwarder is in there...

p. 66 Clergy and Temples.

It says, that clerics of Sune always strive to create things of beauty (craft), or, if they are not good at this, at least learn to dance (perform).

So, a heartwarder, the embodiment of the Sunite way, should definitely have some skill in creating art IMHO.

It also says, that the church of Sune is a great promoter of art and artists. Clerics of Sune preserve and protect art, they even go to auctions sometimes to raise the price, just to make art more valuable, for example.

Yes, Sune is the goddess of love and all things beauty, and art is actually very high in her portfolio as it seems.

Sune is not the goddess of revelry, that is Sharess...

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Thanee

thanee said:

It says, that clerics of Sune always strive to create things of beauty (craft), or, if they are not good at this, at least learn to dance (perform).

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I have to say I hadn't noticed that section about 'static fine art'...

thanee said:

So, a heartwarder, the embodiment of the Sunite way, should definitely have some skill in creating art IMHO.

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Having reread the section you mentioned, I agree.

thanee said:

Sune is not the goddess of revelry, that is Sharess...

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At least once a month, the church of Sune holds a Grand Revel... (FaP, p67)



Malin Genie

Thanee said:

Sune is not the goddess of revelry, that is Sharess...

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Partying is more Lliira's thing. Sharess is as close as the FR gets to a goddess of lust/sex.

Just my view - the goddesses Llira, Sune, Sharess (and Hanali) are quite closely allied and it is not uncommon to find members of the various clergies working together to celebrate their faiths. Many aspects of each of their portfolios are blurred and cross over one another. A beautiful revel of food, art, dance, drink, love (and lust), merriment etc. crosses the boundaries of all of their porfolios.

Notes:

1) I think your choice of giving unnamed bonuses instead of Spell Focus and Spell Penetration is very ok, because the character already has SF and may still want to take SP to apply to non-verbal spells as well, in which case they will stack (also there was an error in F&P about SF being requisite AND benefit)

2) as you wish, you may even want to remove the whip proficiency, I don't remember if it is really a signature of sune's faith, sounds strange... if it really is, IMO it'd be better as a bonus proficiency granted by the PrCl than being a requisite to qualify

3) the reflex +2 make little sense (I know, it's not your choice, it's straight from F&P ) because by the time a character gets 6 ranks in a skill, almost for sure he has +2 in reflex - unless he has an unlucky multiclass combination

4) in my very own opinion, it is in general not so bad to leave some requirements optional: for example you can accept a PC to qualify if he either has 6 ranks and the Skill Focus in Craft(any art) OR Perform; otherwise it could be useful to let qualify if instead 6 ranks + SkF the character just has 9 ranks

Li Shenron said:

2) as you wish, you may even want to remove the whip proficiency, I don't remember if it is really a signature of sune's faith, sounds strange... if it really is, IMO it'd be better as a bonus proficiency granted by the PrCl than being a requisite to qualify

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Hmm... yeah, I only kept it, since it is a useless feat and the class is pretty good, so has to have some such requirements.

3) the reflex +2 make little sense (I know, it's not your choice, it's straight from F&P ) because by the time a character gets 6 ranks in a skill, almost for sure he has +2 in reflex - unless he has an unlucky multiclass combination

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Actually not. At first I had that requirement removed, but then realized, that it is the sole limit for the character to have achieved 6th level at least before advancing into the heartwarder prestige class.

Well, you could probably remove it and change one skill requirement to 9 ranks instead.

4) in my very own opinion, it is in general not so bad to leave some requirements optional: for example you can accept a PC to qualify if he either has 6 ranks and the Skill Focus in Craft(any art) OR Perform; otherwise it could be useful to let qualify if instead 6 ranks + SkF the character just has 9 ranks

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Yep, but this is not done normally, so I stay away from it, too.

And the Skill Focus is mainly there to waste a feat, really. Much like the Exotic Weapon Focus.

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Thanee

Thanee said:

Hmm... yeah, I only kept it, since it is a useless feat and the class is pretty good, so has to have some such requirements.

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Mah... I don't like to put requirements just to be a cost, but that's up to you.

Thanee said:

Actually not. At first I had that requirement removed, but then realized, that it is the sole limit for the character to have achieved 6th level at least before advancing into the heartwarder prestige class.

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Now I realized that I mentally equalled 6 ranks with 6 levels

Strange however that they used base saves, normally they would rather use something else, like skill rank 9.