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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9041040" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>That's fair. I don't know the 4e version. I do know that from the 5e write-up that it implies that it's just the para and quasi elemental planes mashed up together into chaos.</p><p></p><p>"At the farthest extents of the Elemental Planes,<strong> the pure elements dissolve and bleed together</strong> into an unending tumult of clashing energies and colliding substance called the Elemental Chaos."</p><p></p><p>That's what the quasi and para elemental planes were. The 4 elements bleeding together.</p><p></p><p>"Reports indicate the existence of weird hybrid elementals native to the Elemental Chaos, but such creatures are seldom seen on other planes."</p><p></p><p>Para-elementals and quasi-elementals perhaps. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>It's not stated straight out, but for those of us who have been playing the game since AD&D, it's pretty easy to see where the quasi and para elemental planes went. It's actually a better implementation in my mind. </p><p></p><p>For 4e perhaps, but in 5e it's not an oversimplification at all. 3e had the Plane of Faerie which if you read it is the Feywild. Just a name change. If you read the 5e Shadowfell, it describes the AD&D Plane of Shadow. It's not an oversimplification to say that in 5e they are simply name changes for old planes.</p><p></p><p>Yes. Similarities to pre-4e planes. It sounds like you and [USER=58172]@Yaarel[/USER] are talking about planes that are very different in 4e than they are in 5e. I fully acknowledge that is probably so. As you say above, I am ignorant of what 4e did to the planes. </p><p></p><p>However, in 5e the Elemental Chaos is written as a mishmash of the quasi and para-elemental planes of AD&D, the Shadowfell is just a renamed Plane of Shadow from AD&D, and the Feywild is just a renamed 3e Plane of Faerie. These are not the 4e versions of those planes that you two are describing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9041040, member: 23751"] That's fair. I don't know the 4e version. I do know that from the 5e write-up that it implies that it's just the para and quasi elemental planes mashed up together into chaos. "At the farthest extents of the Elemental Planes,[B] the pure elements dissolve and bleed together[/B] into an unending tumult of clashing energies and colliding substance called the Elemental Chaos." That's what the quasi and para elemental planes were. The 4 elements bleeding together. "Reports indicate the existence of weird hybrid elementals native to the Elemental Chaos, but such creatures are seldom seen on other planes." Para-elementals and quasi-elementals perhaps. :) It's not stated straight out, but for those of us who have been playing the game since AD&D, it's pretty easy to see where the quasi and para elemental planes went. It's actually a better implementation in my mind. For 4e perhaps, but in 5e it's not an oversimplification at all. 3e had the Plane of Faerie which if you read it is the Feywild. Just a name change. If you read the 5e Shadowfell, it describes the AD&D Plane of Shadow. It's not an oversimplification to say that in 5e they are simply name changes for old planes. Yes. Similarities to pre-4e planes. It sounds like you and [USER=58172]@Yaarel[/USER] are talking about planes that are very different in 4e than they are in 5e. I fully acknowledge that is probably so. As you say above, I am ignorant of what 4e did to the planes. However, in 5e the Elemental Chaos is written as a mishmash of the quasi and para-elemental planes of AD&D, the Shadowfell is just a renamed Plane of Shadow from AD&D, and the Feywild is just a renamed 3e Plane of Faerie. These are not the 4e versions of those planes that you two are describing. [/QUOTE]
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