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<blockquote data-quote="Arcane Runes Press" data-source="post: 1819208" data-attributes="member: 402"><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> The trend I detect is that you like really high level heroes.</p><p></p><p>It's all a matter of opinion and taste, really, but I don't think <em>any</em> of those heroes would have been 20th level by age 20. (With the exception of Pug, but that's a function of the way D&D's magic system works.) </p><p></p><p>King Arthur was a mighty warrior, and so was Conan, but mighty warrior =/= 20th level. 8th level Conan is a mighty warrior too - especially when you consider that Conan would have high stats almost across the board. </p><p></p><p>And you don't need to be 20th level to lead mighty armies of conquest, or inspire a nation to great deeds, as Alexander and Joan of Arc did. You just need Charisma, and access to troops. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally, I dislike the homogenized nature of age and level advancement. There's room for both young and old heroes, but the nature of ability score penalties for aging means that it doesn't make much sense to start play as an older hero, and there's no encourament to allow characters to mature, and get a little grey. </p><p></p><p>And that's a shame - I dislike it when mechanics discourage very viable thematic concepts. </p><p></p><p>It's particularly annoying with regards to the monk class. A 20th level monk achieves perfection of self, and while there are instances in fiction and legend of very young people accomplishing that, it's far more common to see old but inexplicably spry codgers as the enlightened one. </p><p> </p><p>The young heroes, fast advancement mode is great for campaigns that are about the chosen, foretold few, but it's not so great for campaigns where the characters aren't the legendary heroes of destiny, but are instead just a band adventuring in a world chock full of wizard's guilds, knights, and dungeons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arcane Runes Press, post: 1819208, member: 402"] :) The trend I detect is that you like really high level heroes. It's all a matter of opinion and taste, really, but I don't think [I]any[/I] of those heroes would have been 20th level by age 20. (With the exception of Pug, but that's a function of the way D&D's magic system works.) King Arthur was a mighty warrior, and so was Conan, but mighty warrior =/= 20th level. 8th level Conan is a mighty warrior too - especially when you consider that Conan would have high stats almost across the board. And you don't need to be 20th level to lead mighty armies of conquest, or inspire a nation to great deeds, as Alexander and Joan of Arc did. You just need Charisma, and access to troops. Personally, I dislike the homogenized nature of age and level advancement. There's room for both young and old heroes, but the nature of ability score penalties for aging means that it doesn't make much sense to start play as an older hero, and there's no encourament to allow characters to mature, and get a little grey. And that's a shame - I dislike it when mechanics discourage very viable thematic concepts. It's particularly annoying with regards to the monk class. A 20th level monk achieves perfection of self, and while there are instances in fiction and legend of very young people accomplishing that, it's far more common to see old but inexplicably spry codgers as the enlightened one. The young heroes, fast advancement mode is great for campaigns that are about the chosen, foretold few, but it's not so great for campaigns where the characters aren't the legendary heroes of destiny, but are instead just a band adventuring in a world chock full of wizard's guilds, knights, and dungeons. [/QUOTE]
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