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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 6002328" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Oh understandable. Give a 'loth enough of what it wants and it'll do anything you want till the sudden but inevitable betrayal. They've got the unique dichotomy going on of being both complete paragons of selfish self-interest and slavish supplicants to abstract Evil, and 'Faces of Evil' has some really nice exploration of the topic in its intro to the 'loth chapter. </p><p></p><p>I don't see a problem with a 'loth selling its services, but that's the key there that it's selling its services rather than following a divinity or worshiping them. But I'd argue that the higher up the yugoloth chain that you go, the less likely they are to be able to stomach helping a divinity. Ultroloths, unique yugoloths, and baern are probably not going to be found doing so, but everything below them probably quite a bit of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure, though it might be cool to ask Colin at some point his perspective on this, and what the design directive at TSR was at the time. The baernaloth entry describes the Demented as serving as advisors to the highest ultroloths, the Oinoloth, and the General of Gehenna - and I've usually seen their advice as something those 'loths receive whether they want it or not. Almost like secular kings being beholden to the edicts of the clergy, which the baern in a way represent in my conception of them.</p><p></p><p>Man, it'd be fun to do a piece on them at some point (some baern stuff got cut from the recent Demonomicon piece I did).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 6002328, member: 11697"] Oh understandable. Give a 'loth enough of what it wants and it'll do anything you want till the sudden but inevitable betrayal. They've got the unique dichotomy going on of being both complete paragons of selfish self-interest and slavish supplicants to abstract Evil, and 'Faces of Evil' has some really nice exploration of the topic in its intro to the 'loth chapter. I don't see a problem with a 'loth selling its services, but that's the key there that it's selling its services rather than following a divinity or worshiping them. But I'd argue that the higher up the yugoloth chain that you go, the less likely they are to be able to stomach helping a divinity. Ultroloths, unique yugoloths, and baern are probably not going to be found doing so, but everything below them probably quite a bit of it. I'm not sure, though it might be cool to ask Colin at some point his perspective on this, and what the design directive at TSR was at the time. The baernaloth entry describes the Demented as serving as advisors to the highest ultroloths, the Oinoloth, and the General of Gehenna - and I've usually seen their advice as something those 'loths receive whether they want it or not. Almost like secular kings being beholden to the edicts of the clergy, which the baern in a way represent in my conception of them. Man, it'd be fun to do a piece on them at some point (some baern stuff got cut from the recent Demonomicon piece I did). [/QUOTE]
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