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<blockquote data-quote="Raduin711" data-source="post: 8666880" data-attributes="member: 15303"><p>I always thought the character of Hod/Hodur was interesting.</p><p></p><p>So in the story he is tricked by Loki to throw a dart of mistletoe (sometimes it is a spear or an arrow) at his brother Baldur, who happened to be invincible to everything but mistletoe.</p><p></p><p>It is also noted that Hodur is blind, and has sometimes been attributes opposite Baldur's; if Baldur is Summer, Hodur is Winter. Baldur is handsome, Hodur is ugly. BUT he isn't evil. In the story, the AEsir were making a game of throwing objects at Baldur to watch them fail to hurt him. </p><p></p><p>Yet, after all is said and done, and Baldur is dead, Hodur is punished for killing his brother by his brother Vali who was born for that express purpose. </p><p></p><p>So one thing about this story that kind of interests me is:</p><p></p><p>1. Why did Hodur throw the dart?</p><p>2. Was Hodur Guilty?</p><p>3. What was the lesson/values being taught?</p><p></p><p>Putting yourself in Hodur's shoes... I don't know for sure what the viking's attitudes were exactly toward the blind, but I don't imagine they were given the same level of respect as people today. Meanwhile, your brother is quite possibly the world's most popular person... resentment? is that possible? Imagine if your mother went around the universe and asked everything in the world not to hurt your brother, but nothing for you? But if everyone loved Baldur, that must have included Hodur as well. Naturally, being brothers and all.</p><p></p><p>And then afterwards all the gods are gathered around making a game of throwing things at Baldur and putting that invulnerability to the test. But Hodur, being blind, cannot participate. And then Loki shows up and says, "Here! Let me help you!" and you do. It must be nice to feel included... So is that it? Is this a story about peer pressure? "Would you throw stones at your brother just because everyone else was" has the same ring to it as "If everyone jumped off a cliff..."</p><p></p><p>And nobody could tell who had done it. Except for the timing, even Hodur himself might not be aware it was his dart that did it. But then Odin has a child with a giant named Rindir named Vali who was born for the express purpose of avenging Baldur. And so Vali kills Hodur, being only a day old. </p><p></p><p>So I think it's pretty clear the vikings thought Hodur was guilty of something- and the fact that it was Vali who decided who was guilty meant that the verdict was... like some cosmic form of justice, or maybe it was just lacking in sentiment, or bias? Or maybe Hodur's death was supposed to be an example of a miscarriage of justice, and Hodur was just another dead body laid at the feet of Loki, who orchestrated the whole thing. </p><p></p><p>So if we elevate him to godhood, what could we say he was the god of? Outsiders? Those unjustly punished? There are a number of ways you could spin Hodur that would make him an interesting addition to the pantheon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raduin711, post: 8666880, member: 15303"] I always thought the character of Hod/Hodur was interesting. So in the story he is tricked by Loki to throw a dart of mistletoe (sometimes it is a spear or an arrow) at his brother Baldur, who happened to be invincible to everything but mistletoe. It is also noted that Hodur is blind, and has sometimes been attributes opposite Baldur's; if Baldur is Summer, Hodur is Winter. Baldur is handsome, Hodur is ugly. BUT he isn't evil. In the story, the AEsir were making a game of throwing objects at Baldur to watch them fail to hurt him. Yet, after all is said and done, and Baldur is dead, Hodur is punished for killing his brother by his brother Vali who was born for that express purpose. So one thing about this story that kind of interests me is: 1. Why did Hodur throw the dart? 2. Was Hodur Guilty? 3. What was the lesson/values being taught? Putting yourself in Hodur's shoes... I don't know for sure what the viking's attitudes were exactly toward the blind, but I don't imagine they were given the same level of respect as people today. Meanwhile, your brother is quite possibly the world's most popular person... resentment? is that possible? Imagine if your mother went around the universe and asked everything in the world not to hurt your brother, but nothing for you? But if everyone loved Baldur, that must have included Hodur as well. Naturally, being brothers and all. And then afterwards all the gods are gathered around making a game of throwing things at Baldur and putting that invulnerability to the test. But Hodur, being blind, cannot participate. And then Loki shows up and says, "Here! Let me help you!" and you do. It must be nice to feel included... So is that it? Is this a story about peer pressure? "Would you throw stones at your brother just because everyone else was" has the same ring to it as "If everyone jumped off a cliff..." And nobody could tell who had done it. Except for the timing, even Hodur himself might not be aware it was his dart that did it. But then Odin has a child with a giant named Rindir named Vali who was born for the express purpose of avenging Baldur. And so Vali kills Hodur, being only a day old. So I think it's pretty clear the vikings thought Hodur was guilty of something- and the fact that it was Vali who decided who was guilty meant that the verdict was... like some cosmic form of justice, or maybe it was just lacking in sentiment, or bias? Or maybe Hodur's death was supposed to be an example of a miscarriage of justice, and Hodur was just another dead body laid at the feet of Loki, who orchestrated the whole thing. So if we elevate him to godhood, what could we say he was the god of? Outsiders? Those unjustly punished? There are a number of ways you could spin Hodur that would make him an interesting addition to the pantheon. [/QUOTE]
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