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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5941539" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>[MENTION=16285]irdeggman[/MENTION] To help us out I decided to go back to the original questions in the first post.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1 - Can you take a move action then charge as a standard action? No.</p><p>2 - Can you draw a weapon as part of a charge? No.</p><p>3 - Can you take a free action and charge? YES.</p><p>4 - Can you 5' then charge? No.</p><p></p><p>Only when you combine something else and #3 do you get a No. But it is a No because of the new part not because of #3 part by itself. If you take the question that was <u>asked</u> it remains a Yes. It becomes a No under the condition you can't take free actions which once again isn't the question as asked. It has nothing to do with the charge action stopping free actions.</p><p></p><p>The question asked wasn't even if you can take free actions and a charge as part of a surprise round. Because if it was then the question would be a "maybe/consult DM".</p><p></p><p>I'm glad you went and looked at the rule compendium but it doesn't say anything new that the SRD didn't already clear up. If it helped you then great but it isn't technically a No for #3 because it is a Yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Once again, this part doesn't matter. I'm sorry if I'm getting belligerent but it doesn't. It refers to taking a charge as a standard action only when you are restricted, such as surprise action or when slowed. It has nothing to do with a normal charge and it doesn't have any bearing on the whole "free action" question. The rules compendium uses better language but it has the exact same meaning that we have been talking about thus far and once again it doesn't make it a "technically" anything because the answer to the question is still a yes.</p><p></p><p>I suppose you could add a caveat that says "if you can't do free actions then you can't do free actions", but that should go without saying.</p><p>The DM can always say there are conditions that you can't do free actions if they so choose. It has no bearing or basis for whether or not you can do free actions (such as quick draw) then charge.</p><p></p><p>So back to the first question;</p><p></p><p>No.</p><p>No.</p><p>Yes.</p><p>No.</p><p></p><p>You can start houseruling now that you know the way the rules CURRENTLY work. There is no technically on #3 as it is a YES for what was asked. It is a No only if you can't perform free actions but that is an entirely different case and question.</p><p></p><p>Ie.</p><p>#5 If you are unable to perform free actions, can you still quick draw (as a free action) and then charge?</p><p></p><p>Then the answer would be No.</p><p></p><p>Have fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 5941539, member: 95493"] [MENTION=16285]irdeggman[/MENTION] To help us out I decided to go back to the original questions in the first post. 1 - Can you take a move action then charge as a standard action? No. 2 - Can you draw a weapon as part of a charge? No. 3 - Can you take a free action and charge? YES. 4 - Can you 5' then charge? No. Only when you combine something else and #3 do you get a No. But it is a No because of the new part not because of #3 part by itself. If you take the question that was [U]asked[/U] it remains a Yes. It becomes a No under the condition you can't take free actions which once again isn't the question as asked. It has nothing to do with the charge action stopping free actions. The question asked wasn't even if you can take free actions and a charge as part of a surprise round. Because if it was then the question would be a "maybe/consult DM". I'm glad you went and looked at the rule compendium but it doesn't say anything new that the SRD didn't already clear up. If it helped you then great but it isn't technically a No for #3 because it is a Yes. Once again, this part doesn't matter. I'm sorry if I'm getting belligerent but it doesn't. It refers to taking a charge as a standard action only when you are restricted, such as surprise action or when slowed. It has nothing to do with a normal charge and it doesn't have any bearing on the whole "free action" question. The rules compendium uses better language but it has the exact same meaning that we have been talking about thus far and once again it doesn't make it a "technically" anything because the answer to the question is still a yes. I suppose you could add a caveat that says "if you can't do free actions then you can't do free actions", but that should go without saying. The DM can always say there are conditions that you can't do free actions if they so choose. It has no bearing or basis for whether or not you can do free actions (such as quick draw) then charge. So back to the first question; No. No. Yes. No. You can start houseruling now that you know the way the rules CURRENTLY work. There is no technically on #3 as it is a YES for what was asked. It is a No only if you can't perform free actions but that is an entirely different case and question. Ie. #5 If you are unable to perform free actions, can you still quick draw (as a free action) and then charge? Then the answer would be No. Have fun. [/QUOTE]
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