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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 2423034" data-attributes="member: 13098"><p>Heh - Bard is one of my favorite classes! Of course, I chose to play one simply to see if I could make my PC relevant and fun. I have. But it does take a certain perspective to playing one to make it fun. I have watched other people try to play a Bard and be severely disappointed. </p><p></p><p>Natural Spell is the most broken aspect of the Druid that I observe. Yet, I haven't had the opportunity to watch it be abused in an actual game. But my gut tells me that Natural Spell is easy to abuse if a player chooses to do so. </p><p></p><p>I am not advocating that 'the party having time to buff' is 'the DM fails to challenge them.' However, I don't feel that judging the best case scenario for a player to leverage a PC's abilities versus any given DM's habits and situations automatically equates to a broken class. Running a Cleric that has been optimized against undead in an undead-heavy campaign doesn't make the Cleric broken. </p><p></p><p>All I am really saying is that sometimes you just need to change your DM style a little bit and throw the Players for a loop. As a DM, I expect my players to find situations where they can excel. I enjoy that. I enjoy it even more when they work together as a group and find ways to have several PCs shine at once. I love to watch them get excited when their plans come together. But, I also love to watch them react when the NPCs do something they didn't anticipate. I like to watch them scramble to turn what looks like abysmal failure into success. They don't always succeed, but often they do. After all, there are 6-7 of them around the table and only one of me. They have a wider perspective, and can come up with very clever plans quickly if they need to. </p><p></p><p>The only time you really have a broken PC is when the rest of the PCs can never shine. My experience has been that this usually comes about from a difference in play styles, player experience, or other 'social contract' issues. Not always, but quite often.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BSF, post: 2423034, member: 13098"] Heh - Bard is one of my favorite classes! Of course, I chose to play one simply to see if I could make my PC relevant and fun. I have. But it does take a certain perspective to playing one to make it fun. I have watched other people try to play a Bard and be severely disappointed. Natural Spell is the most broken aspect of the Druid that I observe. Yet, I haven't had the opportunity to watch it be abused in an actual game. But my gut tells me that Natural Spell is easy to abuse if a player chooses to do so. I am not advocating that 'the party having time to buff' is 'the DM fails to challenge them.' However, I don't feel that judging the best case scenario for a player to leverage a PC's abilities versus any given DM's habits and situations automatically equates to a broken class. Running a Cleric that has been optimized against undead in an undead-heavy campaign doesn't make the Cleric broken. All I am really saying is that sometimes you just need to change your DM style a little bit and throw the Players for a loop. As a DM, I expect my players to find situations where they can excel. I enjoy that. I enjoy it even more when they work together as a group and find ways to have several PCs shine at once. I love to watch them get excited when their plans come together. But, I also love to watch them react when the NPCs do something they didn't anticipate. I like to watch them scramble to turn what looks like abysmal failure into success. They don't always succeed, but often they do. After all, there are 6-7 of them around the table and only one of me. They have a wider perspective, and can come up with very clever plans quickly if they need to. The only time you really have a broken PC is when the rest of the PCs can never shine. My experience has been that this usually comes about from a difference in play styles, player experience, or other 'social contract' issues. Not always, but quite often. [/QUOTE]
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