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[3.5] ECL and Level Adjustment - My brain is Jello.
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<blockquote data-quote="Melkor" data-source="post: 1099059" data-attributes="member: 10786"><p>Per P.290 in the 3.5 MM:</p><p><strong><em>Humanoids and Class Levels: Creatures with 1 or less HD replace their monster levels with their character levels. For example, a goblin sorceror loses its humanoid attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, skills, and feats, and gains the attack bonus, save bonuses, skills, feats, and other class abilities of a 1st level sorceror.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The example below from the 3.5 DMG seems to directly contradict that:</p><p><strong><em>"A monster with a Hit Dice of 1 or less, a level adjustment, and class levels adds it's class levels, Hit Die, and level adjustment together when referring to Table 3-2 (on Page 22 of the PHB to determine experience needed to advance). For instance, suppose a monster with 1 Hit Die and a +1 level Adjustment has two levels of rogue. It's ECL is 4 (2 class levels +1 Hit Die +1 level adjustment). In order to gain another class level, it needs a total of 10,000xp.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The example above shows a 1 HD creature with class levels, yet it's ECL includes both it's class level and it's Hit Dice. So again, a contradiction that doesn't seem to clarify the situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Melkor, post: 1099059, member: 10786"] Per P.290 in the 3.5 MM: [b][i]Humanoids and Class Levels: Creatures with 1 or less HD replace their monster levels with their character levels. For example, a goblin sorceror loses its humanoid attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, skills, and feats, and gains the attack bonus, save bonuses, skills, feats, and other class abilities of a 1st level sorceror.[/i][/b][i][/i] The example below from the 3.5 DMG seems to directly contradict that: [b][i]"A monster with a Hit Dice of 1 or less, a level adjustment, and class levels adds it's class levels, Hit Die, and level adjustment together when referring to Table 3-2 (on Page 22 of the PHB to determine experience needed to advance). For instance, suppose a monster with 1 Hit Die and a +1 level Adjustment has two levels of rogue. It's ECL is 4 (2 class levels +1 Hit Die +1 level adjustment). In order to gain another class level, it needs a total of 10,000xp.[/i][/b][i][/i] The example above shows a 1 HD creature with class levels, yet it's ECL includes both it's class level and it's Hit Dice. So again, a contradiction that doesn't seem to clarify the situation. [/QUOTE]
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