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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5131391" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Getting Shadow Blade purely via feats might still be worth it if you have a high dex. Especially if you can hold out long enough to qualify for cloak of deception as your Shadow Hand maneuver (Martial Stance requires Martial Study or a maneuver known) and Assassin's Stance for your stance. Without Swordsage, your initiator level (IL) is half your HD, so you need IL 3 (6 HD) for Cloak of Deception and IL 5 (10 HD) for Assassin's Stance. Then you can get a nifty 1/encounter round of sneak attacking, +2d6 SA damage all the time, and can then go on to get Shadow Blade if you want.</p><p></p><p>Swashbuckler works well with Rogue, just get the Daring Outlaw feat so you lose no sneak attack. Absolutely trade the crapy Grace class feature for Arcane Stunt (C.Mage, requires 1 rank in know arcana). Being able to become blurred or gain +30 ft speed for a round as a swift action a few times/day is much more fun and useful. See if you can get Swashbuckler's Dodge class feature to count as the feat, to use with Titan Fighting, and save you a feat. If the DM says no, not sure you should bother going past Swash 3, even with the multiclass feat.</p><p></p><p>One feat I forgot: Improved Buckler Defense from C.Warrior, so you can use a buckler and still TWF. Annoyingly, I don't think it removes the -1 attack penalty from the buckler, and feats are precious (even with them every odd level). Once you can afford a +3 shield, an animated shield is better. Retrain if allowed, or don't take the feat to begin with, just mentioning.</p><p></p><p>Random idea: Look at the Blade Bravo prestige class in Races of Stone. It's realy not that useful for a sneak attacker, but...it's a cool class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5131391, member: 35909"] Getting Shadow Blade purely via feats might still be worth it if you have a high dex. Especially if you can hold out long enough to qualify for cloak of deception as your Shadow Hand maneuver (Martial Stance requires Martial Study or a maneuver known) and Assassin's Stance for your stance. Without Swordsage, your initiator level (IL) is half your HD, so you need IL 3 (6 HD) for Cloak of Deception and IL 5 (10 HD) for Assassin's Stance. Then you can get a nifty 1/encounter round of sneak attacking, +2d6 SA damage all the time, and can then go on to get Shadow Blade if you want. Swashbuckler works well with Rogue, just get the Daring Outlaw feat so you lose no sneak attack. Absolutely trade the crapy Grace class feature for Arcane Stunt (C.Mage, requires 1 rank in know arcana). Being able to become blurred or gain +30 ft speed for a round as a swift action a few times/day is much more fun and useful. See if you can get Swashbuckler's Dodge class feature to count as the feat, to use with Titan Fighting, and save you a feat. If the DM says no, not sure you should bother going past Swash 3, even with the multiclass feat. One feat I forgot: Improved Buckler Defense from C.Warrior, so you can use a buckler and still TWF. Annoyingly, I don't think it removes the -1 attack penalty from the buckler, and feats are precious (even with them every odd level). Once you can afford a +3 shield, an animated shield is better. Retrain if allowed, or don't take the feat to begin with, just mentioning. Random idea: Look at the Blade Bravo prestige class in Races of Stone. It's realy not that useful for a sneak attacker, but...it's a cool class. [/QUOTE]
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