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[3.5, Tome of Battle] Need Balance & Build Advice on Swordsage
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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5700697" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Keep in mind, stances count as maneuvers for the purposes of "must know X maneuvers of Y discipline," also.</p><p></p><p>And yeah, that's one of the worst parts about ToB, planing out your maneuvers over 20 levels is a pain in the ass.</p><p></p><p>To answer your earlier question about Diamond Mind, either 1st level maneuver can work as a pre-req if you want. You can't ready ALL your maneuvers known, so some are going to not get used anyway. Ideally the ones you don't normally ready are "utility" stuff to break out for special situations, but more than likely some of them are just going to be garbage that's sitting around because you haven't had a chance to swap it out yet. I do think MoPM isn't good for a swordsage, though. It'll be a few points better than your actual will save, though it will surpass it further later on. I just don't like wasting my immediate on something so small, it means you can't use a swift the next round. I do heavily recommend Mind Over Body to protect your weak fort save when you get higher level. So I'd take Saph NM Blade. Sometimes you may run into something with awful AC and may end up wanting to switch it in for one more extra damage strike. I have a martial rogue ("feat rogue") 2 / swordsage 2 right now, I keep Saph NM Blade unreadied most times and when I find a situation where the enemy has terrible AC and I don't need some of my other maneuvers (like something too big to Mighty Throw), switch it in when I run out of readied maneuvers. Which happens every combat. Adaptive Style is awesome.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5700697, member: 35909"] Keep in mind, stances count as maneuvers for the purposes of "must know X maneuvers of Y discipline," also. And yeah, that's one of the worst parts about ToB, planing out your maneuvers over 20 levels is a pain in the ass. To answer your earlier question about Diamond Mind, either 1st level maneuver can work as a pre-req if you want. You can't ready ALL your maneuvers known, so some are going to not get used anyway. Ideally the ones you don't normally ready are "utility" stuff to break out for special situations, but more than likely some of them are just going to be garbage that's sitting around because you haven't had a chance to swap it out yet. I do think MoPM isn't good for a swordsage, though. It'll be a few points better than your actual will save, though it will surpass it further later on. I just don't like wasting my immediate on something so small, it means you can't use a swift the next round. I do heavily recommend Mind Over Body to protect your weak fort save when you get higher level. So I'd take Saph NM Blade. Sometimes you may run into something with awful AC and may end up wanting to switch it in for one more extra damage strike. I have a martial rogue ("feat rogue") 2 / swordsage 2 right now, I keep Saph NM Blade unreadied most times and when I find a situation where the enemy has terrible AC and I don't need some of my other maneuvers (like something too big to Mighty Throw), switch it in when I run out of readied maneuvers. Which happens every combat. Adaptive Style is awesome. [/QUOTE]
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