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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7493928" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>First, D&D <em>is </em>sold in <a href="https://www.walmart.com/ip/Dungeons-Dragons-Dungeons-Dragons-Player-s-Handbook-Hardcover/37784457" target="_blank">WalMart</a>. </p><p>Second, WalMart has a tiny book section in general and typically an even smaller board game section. It's not a great place to buy that sort of thing. You really want to go to a book store, game store, or online.</p><p></p><p>It's not curious that they're not giving sales numbers. They never really have. They didn't throughout 4e either.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For the first set of numbers, they said NORTH America. Which =/= the United States. The population of NA is around 580 million, as that includes Canada and Mexico. And D&D is big in Canada (long, cold winters and all).</p><p>For the second set, the 19 million, they said worldwide...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why? What will that prove?</p><p></p><p>You're talking about three very different things:</p><p>a) Number of players</p><p>b) Number of PHBs sold</p><p>c) Players <em>you</em> SEE playing</p><p></p><p>As you say:</p><p></p><p>The problem with this is you're asking them to prove something that goes against the evidence of your eyes, as you don't see enough people playing in local game stores and are not aware of the number of gamers in the world.</p><p>Of course, most players <em>don't</em> play in game stores. Or probably even buy their books from FLGS. So that's not a fair point of comparison. D&D is an invisible hobby as you play with friends at home or online. </p><p></p><p>Even if they DID release sales numbers, that wouldn't match the number of players because most players don't buy a book. So, more than likely, you would STILL not believe their statements. </p><p>And if they DID release their marketing survey numbers and data, you could probably dismiss that as well for one reason or another. Sample size or research methodology or something. </p><p></p><p></p><p>It really just comes down to one question. One question that defines this issue: </p><p></p><p><strong>Do you think they are lying?</strong> </p><p></p><p>If the answer is "yes" then it does not matter what data they release, you won't believe it. Because you think they're trying to mislead us.</p><p>If the answer is "no" then it does not matter if they can 'prove' it. They believe it, and are trying to give us all the information.</p><p>If the answer is "unintentionally", then either the data is wrong and releasing it will prove nothing. Or they're incompetent at reading the data...</p><p></p><p>It's super depressing to think that the people in charge of a game I love are intentionally misleading us, lying to us, or are grossly incompetent. Why would anyone want to live with that worldview?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7493928, member: 37579"] First, D&D [I]is [/I]sold in [URL="https://www.walmart.com/ip/Dungeons-Dragons-Dungeons-Dragons-Player-s-Handbook-Hardcover/37784457"]WalMart[/URL]. Second, WalMart has a tiny book section in general and typically an even smaller board game section. It's not a great place to buy that sort of thing. You really want to go to a book store, game store, or online. It's not curious that they're not giving sales numbers. They never really have. They didn't throughout 4e either. For the first set of numbers, they said NORTH America. Which =/= the United States. The population of NA is around 580 million, as that includes Canada and Mexico. And D&D is big in Canada (long, cold winters and all). For the second set, the 19 million, they said worldwide... Why? What will that prove? You're talking about three very different things: a) Number of players b) Number of PHBs sold c) Players [I]you[/I] SEE playing As you say: The problem with this is you're asking them to prove something that goes against the evidence of your eyes, as you don't see enough people playing in local game stores and are not aware of the number of gamers in the world. Of course, most players [I]don't[/I] play in game stores. Or probably even buy their books from FLGS. So that's not a fair point of comparison. D&D is an invisible hobby as you play with friends at home or online. Even if they DID release sales numbers, that wouldn't match the number of players because most players don't buy a book. So, more than likely, you would STILL not believe their statements. And if they DID release their marketing survey numbers and data, you could probably dismiss that as well for one reason or another. Sample size or research methodology or something. It really just comes down to one question. One question that defines this issue: [B]Do you think they are lying?[/B] If the answer is "yes" then it does not matter what data they release, you won't believe it. Because you think they're trying to mislead us. If the answer is "no" then it does not matter if they can 'prove' it. They believe it, and are trying to give us all the information. If the answer is "unintentionally", then either the data is wrong and releasing it will prove nothing. Or they're incompetent at reading the data... It's super depressing to think that the people in charge of a game I love are intentionally misleading us, lying to us, or are grossly incompetent. Why would anyone want to live with that worldview? [/QUOTE]
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